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HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:30 pm
by larch
I bought the Railworks HST buffers version from Steam the other day. It apparently loaded up in the normal way (I've successfully bought a number of other products through Steam and they've all loaded with no problem), but when I try to run any of the Buffers scenarios (which are all there in the scenario menus) I get error messages claiming that stock associated with the buffers package isn't there (eg the Grand Central Mk 3 TSO).

Actually they are there (eg C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\railworks\Assets\Kuju\RailSimulator\RailVehicles\Diesel\HST\Grand_Central\Mk3TFO), but Railworks doesn't seem to be able to see them. Frustrating. Everything else about the programme and all the other addons etc I've bought or got from UK Trainsim work fine. It's just the HST Buffers-related stock etc.

I've tried to get help from Steam, but I have to say it really is the most tedious, complicated support methodology I've ever come across. I got my extra support-only profile OK (why do you need another profile for support?) but the FAQs are useless for my needs and they haven't replied to me request for bespoke advice (about a week now).

Intuitively, what I want to do is delete and re-install the Buffers add-on, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do that with Steam downloads. Or is there? Does anyone know? And while I'm here, has anyone found a way to stop the minor speed surging at low speeds? I thought that perhaps my PC wasn't meaty enough to process all those graphics, but videos on You Tube (including from Just Trains) also seem to show it.

Oh, and (in for a penny...) is it easy to copy over a horn sound file from one of the other locos to replace the silly default HST horn noise - which is really not very good. All the other ones sound just right, but the default HST one is, well, a bit pathetic!


Thanks for your interest...

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:52 pm
by codrivermike
You say that it is a TSO that is missing but the path you quote states a TFO. I think the coach you are looking for needs to be downloaded from oovee's website

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:37 am
by bdy26
Have you tried deleting the blueprints cache? Always worth a try.

Agree with you on the sounds - the Armstrong Powerhouse sounds for the HST are well worth a look.

B

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:28 pm
by larch
Thanks codriver, the ones I quoted are examples for illustration. Nome of them work.

Re Armstrong sounds; I have th, but they're for RS, not RW. Can they be made to work?

Thanks for the help and suggestions so far.

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:23 pm
by paulz6
I had the same problem. Deleting the blueprints cache seems to resolve the problem.

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:33 pm
by larch
paulz6 wrote:I had the same problem. Deleting the blueprints cache seems to resolve the problem.
How do you do that? I'm not conscious of ever having seen a blueprints cache, I don't know what they do, where they live, what they look like or how you deal with the blighters!

I can't see anything in the buffers folder or subfolders

Sorry to be as pathetic as a Railworks HST horn, but I'd love to be able to do the buffers scenarios!

Thanks for the help and interest so far.

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:25 pm
by paulz6
Go to the 'Tools & Docs' tab on the RW start-up screen and hit the 'Clear Cache' button. The cache will be re-built on the next RW route/scenario load up, so it will take a little longer than usual.

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:11 pm
by Ooveecouk
If you had sent a support request to http://www.oovee.co.uk/support/ - we would have helped you with this issue. But yes, clearing the cache will resolve the issue. You would of also found this answer in our new FAQ http://www.oovee.co.uk/en/support/faq

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:58 pm
by larch
paulz6 wrote:Go to the 'Tools & Docs' tab on the RW start-up screen and hit the 'Clear Cache' button. The cache will be re-built on the next RW route/scenario load up, so it will take a little longer than usual.
Didn't work I'm afraid. For example, when trying to play the London Kings Cross to York scenario in Newcastle to York Modern, the scenario appears to load OK and then just as it gets past the loading screen and opens up at York I get the error message:

Consist builder - Can't load rail vehicle - Grand Central Mk3 TRFB
Consist builder - Can't load rail vehicle - Grand Central Mk3 TFO
Consist builder - Can't load rail vehicle - Grand Central Mk3 TFO

with a blank bit of track where I guess the player consist should be. Similar problems with other Buffers scenarios.

If anyone's get any other suggestions I'd be really grateful...

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:01 pm
by larch
Ooveecouk wrote:If you had sent a support request to http://www.oovee.co.uk/support/ - we would have helped you with this issue. But yes, clearing the cache will resolve the issue. You would of also found this answer in our new FAQ http://www.oovee.co.uk/en/support/faq
Really? OK, I'll try that. I don't remember seeing anything about an oovvee link on the steam support pages though.

Thanks anyway (but note continuing problem above).

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:30 pm
by Ooveecouk
The scenario is looking for the branded versions of the HST Buffers. These have not been released for Steam customers yet. I suggest using the default scenarios for now, marked with [HSTB] infront.

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:49 pm
by PaulH2
Ooveecouk wrote:The scenario is looking for the branded versions of the HST Buffers. These have not been released for Steam customers yet. I suggest using the default scenarios for now, marked with [HSTB] infront.
Any update on when the branded versions will be made available to Steam customers please? There are at least a couple of scenarious I'd like to run that need these, although I suppose I could swap the unbranded ones in for now.

Thanks,

Paul

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:58 pm
by larch
I just wanted to add say that I've had some good support from Oovee, via this forum and their own support pages. I sort of understand the problem, but not how a scenario somehow got published that needs something that hasn't been released yet. My error - but I thought it came with the add on. I can't even remember where I did find the Sunderland scenario! All a bit odd.

Either way, seems it wasn't Oovee's fault; no reflection on their product. The official scenarios work well. Good for them.

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:25 am
by PaulH2
larch wrote:I sort of understand the problem, but not how a scenario somehow got published that needs something that hasn't been released yet. My error - but I thought it came with the add on.
The original version of the HST buffer add-on was purchased direct from Oovee and, as I understand it, when the Steam version was produced, branded versions of the stock could not be delivered that way (due to licensing limitations, I presume) and so the Steam version was shipped with unbranded stock. So, if somebody created a scenario with the original version it may use the branded stock which is not, as yet, available for Steam purchasers however it is just a matter of time until they are released separately and both original and Steam purchasers will be able to run all the scenarios.

Paul

Re: HST with buffers all present but unfortunately incorrect

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:34 am
by petermakosch
Ooveecouk wrote:The scenario is looking for the branded versions of the HST Buffers. These have not been released for Steam customers yet. I suggest using the default scenarios for now, marked with [HSTB] infront.
So. . . the HST buffer set was released, with a scenario which includes not yet released content? :S