Pick up and Drop Off Problem

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Hi,
I have previously filled 4 Hoppers with Coal from the Coal loader using the Pick Up/Drop Off Freight instruction. The last pick up tells me where to go next. I go there and stop at Reception. It then tells me to unload the 4 Hoppers at the Coal Unloader which I do. But when I get to Hopper number 3 it gives me the instruction to go to a siding and stop and ignores the last Hopper but it leaves a Red Cross on the first instruction and 3 Green ticks on the last 3.That is unload 2, unload 3 and unload 4. No 4 is where the next instruction is so why is it missing out the unload 1 on the first Hopper Instruction ?
Any ideas.
Thanks and kind regards James.

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Have re-done this Scenario from Scratch twice with the same result. Does the program go off how many times you press Shift T to count the unloaded wagons or register the number of each wagon as it unloads? Which it should do in a perfect world.The first one will not unload until I do a Shift T for the second time. The others unload after one press. I fail the Scenario each time because the First Wagon always has an X even though it has unloaded the Coal. There is 16 miles between the Load and Unload so I am wasting loads of time every time I have to check this Scenario. This is driving me mad. It means I can't do a complex Scenario for my Route. I am over the unloader each time.
Kind regards James.

[LoneWolfDon]

Not sure I'm fully understanding the situation or the question...
But yes, sometimes trying to get the instruction to work correctly or trying to understand why sometimes it does or doesn't work can be frustrating.

Sometimes when problems like this occur it can be from overlooking something on the instructions, such as specifically clicking on what hopper(s) to unload at what drop-off point.

Another idea, which may or may not be the case, are you using mixed stock for the hoppers? If so, then I suggest trying to stick to one type of hopper that seems to be working. I've experienced similar problems to what you're describing (but in my case it was picking-up and dropping-off hoppers rather than loading and unloading hoppers), and some of the instructions just didn't seem to register when I completed the instruction. On a haunch, I switched the stock-type of the hoppers that seemed to giving me the troubles and then after reprogramming the instructions again it all seemed to work okay.

Of course maybe the problem your having could be due to something else entirely. Sometimes it's a matter of trial and error unfortunately. Being a route and scenario builder myself, I can emphasize with what you're going through.

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Thanks for your advice. I will check all my instructions and Hopper numbers. I am just using four Standard Default Hoppers with some Closed Vans and a Guards Van on the back to make up the the Train. They Load fine without problems. 4 Hoppers. Four "T" presses. I have 4 Load instructions and 4 Unload instructions. I wonder, can it take a while for the first Shift T to react ?
Kind regards James.

[LoneWolfDon]

Could be that it takes a moment for the command to take effect. I haven't programmed any scenarios yet for loading or unloading hoppers, so I'm not sure. Also, just to make sure it's not a problem with the hopper-type stock you're using (similar to some problems I've experienced before), if you have an alternative hopper cars you can use, try that and see if it makes any difference. Also make sure any markers that may be being used at the stopping points is of ample length.

Another thought, instead of having all loading and/or unloading instructions contained on just one instruction-token, perhaps try using a separate instruction-token for each individual command instead. This may also help in tracking down what specific instruction and/or hopper could be the cause of the trouble, plus I've also encountered problems before of instructions not always seeming to register correctly when I placed multiple instructions on the same instruction-token.

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Have followed all instructions previously and I have come back to this Scenario on my Route as the final one being checked. The same problem still exists. 4 load Coal instructions work. 4 unload coal instructions only unload 3 then skip to the next instruction therefore failing the Scenario. I have checked the Power Hungry Class 66 Scenario and there are 4 unload instruction on that and 4 hoppers unload correctly. The only difference in each instruction is that the % is set to 100 in each instruction. Mine is set to 75%. It is a long distance between pick up and drop off points so to keep testing it takes ages. I wonder if RW2 cannot cope with both load and unloading instructions in the same Scenario. Have used the F4 HUD button to load and unload this time. I am also using the default HAA Hopper.
Very Puzzled.
Any more ideas on this one much appreciated. The route is finished apart from this last Scenario.
Thanks and kind regards James.

[emrhd01]

I am just using four Standard Default Hoppers with some Closed Vans and a Guards Van on the back to make up the the Train.

Just a quick thought, but you haven't 'selected' the Brake van instead of the last Hopper in the "Unload" instruction have you?

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Thanks for your reply Rob. The Pickup/Drop off instruction does not seem have a provision for selecting the Van or Hopper as you are just loading or unloading it. The only other difference is that the 66 Scenario has the UK unload things in the OP Route and mine have the US longer one because the UK one vanished in the transfer to Railworks from Rail Simulator.
Kind regards James.

[emrhd01]

The Pickup/Drop off instruction does not seem have a provision for selecting the Van or Hopper as you are just loading or unloading it.

Hi James,

You can use RW Timetable View to 'select' the wagons to be Loaded and Unloaded.

Take a look at the RW Timetable View Manual_Web.pdf in the Railworks "Manuals" folder.

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Thanks Rob will do that.
Kind regards James.

[emrhd01]

Ok James,

I have just made a Scenario for RI Lines Route which requires you to unload 20 loaded wagons and it works fine for me.

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Hi Rob just noticed the Toggle Instruction to Load or Unload having read the instructions again. Put it down to age. Now correctly ticked I will try the Scenario again. Thanks for your help.
Kind regards James.

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Still the same problem. The first 2 unload instructions vanish from the work order during or after the first Hopper is emptied. I hope this is not the US Unloader causing the problem as the original UK one can no longer be found in the Menu. I might have to scrap this Scenario.
Kind regards James.

[emrhd01]

Hi again James,

Sorry to hear you are still having problems with this. Not wishing to "Teach you to suck eggs", as the saying goes, but I thought I'd Post a Screenshot of how I have set up the wagon 'unload', so you can compare it to how you have done it.



Just thought it might help.

[Retro]

Hi Rob,
You are using a different method to me. I am using the freight/fuel Load/unload command. I use your method if I am leaving wagons behind at certain places. Just to qualify I am not dropping off the wagons just unloading the coal from them. Does your method work with the Coal Loaders and Unloaders and Container Cranes. Thanks for your help.
Kind regards James.