WIP Thread 5 - Anything new for RailWorks

[albert007]

Sorry to see you`ve had an accident hope it`s not to long your up and rideing again.
Like your work, take care.
John

[Retro]

Sorry to here about your accident Will. I hope you make a speedy recovery.
Kind regards James.

[bigphill2]

Hi Guys
Maybe looking at the German released DVT cars might help one of you to crack the mystery. They work quite well in game so might be worth a look.
Regards......Phill

[TractorBasher]

Lovely to see the DVT again. How have they set up the german driving trailers?

B

Hmmm, good question. Could the DVT not be set up the same way? Although i did note in the write-up for the German driving trailers that the loco at the other end could not be driven, but i dont know wether or not this is because if it could be driven, RSC were effectively 'giving' us a free loco with the driving trailers!?

Cheers,
Terrone.

Hi Guys
Maybe looking at the German released DVT cars might help one of you to crack the mystery. They work quite well in game so might be worth a look.
Regards......Phill

Could it be that the German driving cars are set up as locomotives and have all the power in the consist, and the vehicles at the other end of the train are non-powered? Would it be feasible to set up the DVT with different levels of power to replicate the type of loco it works with, but without engine sounds and such, then set the rear end loco in your consist as dead so you don't get the superpower effect? You'd effectively be pulling the train with the DVT, but that wouldn't really be noticeable in a loco-hauled formation.

[Kariban]

I'll just quote myself in answer to that ( it was only a page back! ).

Well, it has to be powered or you wouldn't be able to drive out of it even connected to a DVT; if it isn't and it's just a piece of stock then that's just daft. The only sane way to do it atm is to make a half-power version of whatever engine you want, and then make the DVT a version of that with the DVT body/cab. That means you can't sensibly use that engine for anything else ( unless it's twin engined and you want a single engine one! ), which is what I hope they meant. I have a top+tail pair of 31s set up the same - only one engine is doing any work at any moment but they're both driveable, so that means they have to be half-powered each. ( It breaks the field diverts because no-one knows how to set them up, so I'm not releasing 'em until I work out what the heck is going on there ... )

You can't drive from anything but a locomotive anyway; there is no such thing as unpowered driving vehicles. You can't drive out of a dead engine either, so you'd not be able to reverse ( which is kindof the point of a push-pull train... ).

[bdy26]

So following this through, a DVT with half the power of the original locomotive and a special "pushing" loco with half the power should give you correct performance (in theory) from either end. IIRC there was a similar setup for MSTS models when the bin patch came out.

[Irishrailguy]

That is the limitation of RW, currently; anything with a cab has to be an engine, and the engine with the cab you're in is what provides the stats for the train( power wise at least, everything seems to have individual brakes ). Adding extra engines just multiplies the stats of the one you're in. So, if you had a DVT with 0 power and an 86 on the back, you'd have 2*0 power...

Multiple simulations running was mentioned in one of the boss's posts about the future, but until then we have to compromise with half-power units.

Well, I've been having this dillema with my mk4 dvt, I haven't given it a try but I'd imagine that it could be possible with some enhanced engine scripting I've seen some potential uses for some functions , is it possible to get the sim to check whether there is a particular engine in the consist, like the 67 or 86? As mentioned before, what I could do is give my 91 a msgID and get the dvt to look for a specific ID, in this case the 91 ID, and unless (else if) I get the correct ID I (hopefully) can set my pantograph control value to 0, making it unmoveable.

I suppose the same can be done for the 67 or 86, just find their ID's and use them in your script, but if they don't have one it looks as if you'll be making a dvt patch

[Kariban]

This is probably worth a thread in the rollingstock forum by now ( mods, can you split it out? )

Lets run with the scripting idea a minute.

You can't tell what an arbitrary item of stock is from scripting. You could send messages to aware engines that will respond with a consist message saying "hey, I'm a 67"... but now you've already got "special" engines, even if they don't need new physics.

You can't change the blueprint values of anything while you're in-game; no switching physics from a 67 to a 90. What you can do with maths is shape the output of the diesel-electric model to approximate a smooth tractive effort curve, and obviously if you're using maths you can change that at runtime - what you'd have a lot of fun doing is making it match something that wasn't smooth. I guess you could do some sort of modular scripting and reload part of the script depending on what you're pretending to be.

Actually sounds pretty interesting, but I suspect doing it would end up with migraines I'll think about it, I need to finish my 158 recoding ( which now I think about it uses quite a lot of the ideas we'd need ).

Also it doesn't solve the problem that when you change ends back to the engine, you have another engine on the back... but as you need special engines anyway, might as well make them half power ones.

[nobkins]

This is probably worth a thread in the rollingstock forum by now ( mods, can you split it out? )

I have just attempted to sort out the posts and I am afraid they are very mixed in with others. It really is going to make splitting them out very difficult. Please start a new topic to discuss how a DVT (or similar) might be implemented in RW.

Thanks

Jim

[Will]

Sorry to see you`ve had an accident hope it`s not to long your up and rideing again.
Like your work, take care.

John

Sorry to here about your accident Will. I hope you make a speedy recovery.
Kind regards James.

Thanks guys for the kind words, i apprichiate it.
Kindest Regards.

[Kariban]

Ugh, get better soon, Will!

Thanks for trying, Jim. Would either of the DVT authors like to start a suitable thread?

[tomhas2]

Little update from me on the TPR work from weeton to pannal "Joining up" is coming on well now one side is fully detailed and
i have just finished adding all bushes and hedges tonight. Ready for tree planting and adding homes for the public tomorrow

Basically just had a short run this time with a 3 class 20's and a 37 all in a grubby state doing a
spot of weedkilling on the way to york and here are a couple shots for you to enjoy













Cheers, Tom

[msey0002]

Indeed, get well soon, Will

[FoggyMorning]

Looking good Tom

But I think this screenshot is actually an advert for Red Bull

Steve

[bdy26]

But I think this screenshot is actually an advert for Red Bull

nah, she's just REALLY into Choppers.....