Removal of Commercial Forums and overall Changes.

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:26 pm

I agree, one username might help to keep some of the bad eggs away. It might also stop people queuing several freeware downloads at once. Im not sure if it is possible, however.

phill70 · Post by **phill70** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:28 pm

mattcarey wrote:If no talk is to be said about Commercial routes on the forum, i dont see how you can have activities etc up for a commercial route as if there is a problem, people will come into this forum and talk about it????

I can see alot of stuff being removed, but thats just what i believe, all my stuff will stay unless ukts decide to move it them selfs.

Its very sad to see this happen but its all up to Matt and co in the end!!

Matt,
No one has said anything about no talking about commercial routes on ukts(well apart from one) so when activities are uploaded here, i cannot see a problem with providing helpfull support for them, ether from the manufactures forum or from here.

mattcarey · Post by **mattcarey** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:31 pm

phill70 wrote: Matt,
No one has said anything about no talking about commercial routes on ukts(well apart from one) so when activities are uploaded here, i cannot see a problem with providing helpfull support for them, ether from the manufactures forum or from here.

I understand Phil, thanks for your reply

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:34 pm

Barry
>>John's idea of 'one member, one name' has merit, especially if there is no longer any commercial content; however, how does one tell who has commercial interests, and whether they are speaking on behalf of themselves, or the commercial interest, as they may well do in open discussion?<<

Yes l have to agree with the one name policy, though admit to using a different one a long time ago to shout at someone...they didnt listen, so l closed it and used my own to shout at them...they still didnt listen, end result ?, waste of time and some people will never lsiten

.

The second part of your paragraph is what concerns me the most, not whether there commerically attached or not, most know who l am, l have no grounds to hide it, my concern is that come post Dec 1st anything you say, even in innocence will be looked at sideways by many here...what does he mean by that...whats his real angle....is he bottom feeding for a commercial product... etc ...etc.

It will drive those commerically attached underground l think, woe betide any one who appears to knock someone else, the old knives will soon come out.

Critism, well its hard to voice ones true feelings, but off the cuff it hurts, anyone who says it doesnt is a damm liar, however there are ways to get it across, something some members here can do very well, whilst some members cannot. Critism hurts hardest when you actually care deeply about your labours, if you dont care then it doesnt matter who says what, certainly there are plenty out there that care little what gets said around the global forums.

Best regards

Michael

mattcarey · Post by **mattcarey** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:34 pm

mattcarey wrote:Just to make note,

Can one of the moderators put a list here of all the forums that will close please.

Can anyone answer this please?

mountainmanUK · Post by **mountainmanUK** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:38 pm

johndibben wrote:

One member, one username, that is the only way to beat the trouble-makers. That would build up trust. At the moment it's clear that all is far from what it appears.

If you are not out to cause trouble, one username is sufficient and I trust no one discussing trainsimming in a reasonable manner would ever be banned. If they are, it will undermine the site and therefore would not be in Matts interests.

I agree 100% with you here John!

What about the possibility of Matt doing a "sweeping" job on the Forum Membership, every few months? I've seen this used very effectively in other Forums in removing "duplicate" usernames, and in weeding out those "users" who sign up one day, then never again visit!
It's usually implemented following an Announcement on the Forum, stating a "sweep date" on which any Usernames which have been "stagnant" for X months will be removed. Also, there is the caveat that any GENUINE user accidentally "swept" off the Memberlist, would be instantly reinstated, once the Admin were notified.

This may also create a new role for someone, as a kind of "Membership Moderator", specifically to maintain a nice, clean, regularly-Hoovered Memberlist.

These are only a few thoughts. I'd be interested to hear any other views, either for or against!

Dave H.

petermakosch · Post by **petermakosch** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:39 pm

3DRailHound wrote:...... and lets not forget who it was that went to Microsoft and got some halfway decent tools for ALL OF US to use, it was 3DTS...... to this day many people out there don't know what we did for this community behind the scenes.. the reason is simple though, its because we don't have huge egos that need to be constantly fedlike some members of the MSTS community that I know of.....

Unfortunatly, if you really had the EGO then you wouldnt have posted about it. That is like, when people realize they are humble, then they aint anymore. Humble people dont notice it.

johndibben wrote:Personally, I would suggest a paid up only members available to post forum. The ability to read it should be free and might encourage more to use the search function.

I'll second to that. Somewhere where Premium Members only can post, either a totally private section, or one where Everyone can read, but Premium Members can post. It might be a case that a group is set up for Premium Members, so we can all ID each other.

As for the One User/One Member thing, this is a hard thing to do as the forum is a seperate piece of the site (some will know what i mean). However, I am sure Matt can merge them both into the same database?
The Idea of a Sweep is half pointless. Yes, it will clear out members who sign up ince, and never sign up again, but it will also be pointless as these users probably have not even posted once, let alone being a trouble maker.

Pete

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:40 pm

Well, I can pretty much say NWT forum is going, not that it's used much, but still.

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:41 pm

Phil

>>Matt,
No one has said anything about no talking about commercial routes on ukts(well apart from one) so when activities are uploaded here, i cannot see a problem with providing helpfull support for them, ether from the manufactures forum or from here.<<

Hang on a minute ?, surely Matts post about closing commercial forums will remove the places where the manufactures hang out, where will you go to talk about SVR, L2B, NVR, you cant do it here as Matt has closed the forums where those guys actually help and assist in issues to do with routes.

Or did l completely miss the boat here all along ?.

My understanding is that all the forums that come under the heading of Commercial forums will be closed, a short list is Making tracks, Bluearrow, Firelight, Raildriver and the others listed there in.

If you remove the official commercial forum you are forcing users to post in the general forums concerning commercial wares which is exactly what people didnt want 18 months ago and thus the commercial forums were created to stop in your face commercial posts within the general forums.

How can a commerical guy walk into an open forum after his bespoke commercial one has been closed and answer questions that are being asked by the community.

Now l'm really confused ?.

Best regards

michael

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:44 pm

mattcarey wrote:
mattcarey wrote:Just to make note,

Can one of the moderators put a list here of all the forums that will close please.
Can anyone answer this please?

Please can someone answer Matt's question as I am also wanting to know

mountainmanUK · Post by **mountainmanUK** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:46 pm

Please can someone answer Matt's question as I am also wanting to know

Hi Jonathon!
I would assume that Matt will have the "Final Say" on that, at sometime when HE has finally decided!

Regards,

Dave H.

alisterbetts · Post by **alisterbetts** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:50 pm

I trust that ELR won't be counted as commercial?

petermakosch · Post by **petermakosch** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:50 pm

All the ones in the Commercial Pool, plus a couple of ones that are not used. I agree with allypally, the NWT one is my guess.

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:51 pm

I know the NWT is going, I received a pm from a moderator.

mattcarey · Post by **mattcarey** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:52 pm

alisterbetts wrote:I trust that ELR won't be counted as commercial?

I think it will, if its under commercial that means its going, you cant leave it as its under Commercial so it must be commercial.

If its not commercial then this product should not be under that heading. - No offence to the ELR team - it is a great add on