Removal of Commercial Forums and overall Changes.

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:44 pm

Johnathan,

To be fair you cannot use that argument to keep commercial forums, you could just as easily visit a proper Bluearrow forum as easily as you can visit this one, its only a mouse click away.

This is l belive what the majority want, the removal of the commercial forums, they ( commercial teams ) will have to make there own, to be fair the commerical plane team l worked for used global forums for 5 years, it was never a happy existance, some forums were very anti some with open arms, you tend to go with the flow and the devout customers will follow. Last year we opened our own forum..it was great, the ability to do and post as you please.

Whilst you are a guest in some one elses forums, it is very hard to get along, there does become a time when its time to move on, normally this is a natural progression, this is the first time l've even seen a formal progression.

As l said above l've little issue with whats going 'down', my biggest concern is how are those that are involved with commercial teams supposed to behave after Dec 1st, what do we talk about, normal stuff l suppose but what happens wehn a newbie asks a commercial question, you really cant reply for fear of being branded a ' commercialite'.

It is a very freightening scenario, l think many will naturally steer clear for may reasons.

Best regards

Michael

mattcarey · Post by **mattcarey** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:45 pm

Just to make note,

Can one of the moderators put a list here of all the forums that will close please.

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:46 pm

Neptune50006 wrote:
JonathonAG wrote: I am 100% against the idea of removing the comercial forums and in protest I may take off any of my uploads that are currently on UKTS
Well that's really going to help isn't it By doing that you're just adding to the current problems. Anyway, where you going to put them then?

O.K then, maybe I was making an empty threat about the activities. But still, the removal of someone of the comercial add-ons forums will cause desruption, confusion and chaos for both customers of the company and the company itself

Neptune50006 · Post by **Neptune50006** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:47 pm

johndibben wrote:Personally, I would suggest a paid up only members available to post forum. The ability to read it should be free and might encourage more to use the search function.

I agree with that.

phill70 · Post by **phill70** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:48 pm

johndibben wrote: One member, one username, that is the only way to beat the trouble-makers. That would build up trust. At the moment it's clear that all is far from what it appears.

If you are not out to cause trouble, one username is sufficient and I trust no one discussing trainsimming in a reasonable manner would ever be banned. If they are, it will undermine the site and therefore would not be in Matts interests.

I totally agree with John here, the ones of you who have more that one username(and i suspect there are quite a few), could you tell me what the benfit is please.

Neptune50006 · Post by **Neptune50006** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:51 pm

JonathonAG wrote: O.K then, maybe I was making an empty threat about the activities. But still, the removal of someone of the comercial add-ons forums will cause desruption, confusion and chaos for both customers of the company and the company itself

As long as it's made clear that the activity is for a comercially available route, there should be little problem IMO.

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:51 pm

John D,

>>A concern of mine and closure of all but technical support forums would be an option. That's for Matt to decide. <<

Thats good and well but you would have to define technical support quite tightly, to be fair l thought that was what thew commercial forums were for ?, however l will conceed that the one l am involved with has become a free for all tit for tat chat gallery, getting anything usefull out of that aprticualr forum is personally mind draining.

>>We discuss commercial pructs on these forums from Windows to ISP's . Most with equal contempt. Criticism, often unfounded, is the harsh reality of the commercial world. OK when it's not us involved, of course <<

Critism,...yeah know what you mean...still got the burn marks on my fingers

, still we all have to learn somewhere LOL.

Best regards

Michael

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:57 pm

>>As long as it's made clear that the activity is for a comercially available route, there should be little problem IMO.<<

Whoa.... thats a sticky ground if there ever was any, sorry guys but were not hosting commercial forums for the payware guys but we are hosting activities, reskins and anything else added to that commercial product with no restriction ?.

That is a very sharp double edged sword, there will be few ( payware ) l think who will allow such things to carry on in an enviroment where they have been effectively gagged. That is one minefield l hope we all steer well clear of, though l suspect it is going to degenerate to some sort of conflict in this area.

Best regards

Michael

Neptune50006 · Post by **Neptune50006** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:02 pm

Europeanbahn activities are currently allowed arenâ€™t they? (notice I said currently!)

phill70 · Post by **phill70** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:06 pm

Neptune50006 wrote:Europeanbahn activities are currently allowed arenâ€™t they? (notice I said currently!)

They will continue to be allowed as well, along with any other commercial or freeware activities.

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:09 pm

mickoo wrote:John D,

>>A concern of mine and closure of all but technical support forums would be an option. That's for Matt to decide. <<

Thats good and well but you would have to define technical support quite tightly, to be fair l thought that was what thew commercial forums were for ?, however l will conceed that the one l am involved with has become a free for all tit for tat chat gallery, getting anything usefull out of that aprticualr forum is personally mind draining.

>>We discuss commercial pructs on these forums from Windows to ISP's . Most with equal contempt. Criticism, often unfounded, is the harsh reality of the commercial world. OK when it's not us involved, of course <<

Critism,...yeah know what you mean...still got the burn marks on my fingers , still we all have to learn somewhere LOL.

Best regards

Michael

We had a few words but I hope mutual respect was obtained. It was on my part anyway

Mods were asked what they thought and I agreed with a comment that the chit-chat stuff was not assisting the furthering of MSTS. All participants could put forward ideas and gain knowledge. A community where all were equal and what they used the knowledge gained for was ireelavant. No copyright problems sharing ideas.

I fear fake usernames appearing and rubbishing commercial products if anyone is allowed to post. One person, one username would prevent that.

Criticism is a fact of life, resisting it appears counter-productive. A product should sell itself. BA stuff does that IMHO. If it has to be talked up to sell, I don't think we want to hear it.

mattcarey · Post by **mattcarey** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:10 pm

If no talk is to be said about Commercial routes on the forum, i dont see how you can have activities etc up for a commercial route as if there is a problem, people will come into this forum and talk about it????

I can see alot of stuff being removed, but thats just what i believe, all my stuff will stay unless ukts decide to move it them selfs.

Its very sad to see this happen but its all up to Matt and co in the end!!

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:14 pm

I hope that reskins, activities etc... will continue to be uploaded for commercial products, but with the banishing of the forums, this will make it far more difficult to do so and I can see many not uploading reskins and stuff of commercial products as the difficulties of trying to get a hold of the person who works for that certain company would approve of their work.

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:18 pm

phill70 wrote:I totally agree with John here, the ones of you who have more that one username(and i suspect there are quite a few), could you tell me what the benfit is please.

Certainly, Glyn

1) Hugely funny wind-ups.

2) Pretending your a woman (hilarious)

3) Rubbishing a product made by someone you don't like.

4) You've been banned for no reason whatsover except being a pain in the bum to everyone

5) You've made an arse of yourself and want another opportunity to do it again.

6) Wind someone up and get them banned when they bite.

7) Moan about the nasty mods.

Wish 8 didn't come up as a smillie

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:20 pm

Criticism per se shouldn't harm anyone; it's when the criticism is taken as an insult that the problems arise, and I'm afraid not amount of tinkering will change the way individuals understand things.

I really can't see that a blanket removal of commercial forums is going to improve matters from that point of view. Tighter moderation may do; much depends on who says what and to whom.

John's idea of 'one member, one name' has merit, especially if there is no longer any commercial content; however, how does one tell who has commercial interests, and whether they are speaking on behalf of themselves, or the commercial interest, as they may well do in open discussion?