Carrick Island - new project

sp762 · Post by **sp762** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:33 am

Evan - you have mail.

Martin - is this where we build the 0-8-8-8-0 Shay?

Mattaf · Post by **Mattaf** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:03 am

saddletank wrote: it's almost a sort of Ffestiniog meets SeaView 3.

Now, THAT'S my kind of route!

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:58 pm

Track work and terraforming of the north coast route is now complete. I laid Treluswell and Perran Wharf tonight. The end of this route is a lot different to the intended layout due to the drop from Perran station to the Wharf being too steep for the planned series of reversals. What I did was lay the approach to Treluswell via a dumb-bell loop from the south instead of by a direct line from the west, and continue this low coastal line back around Goonreeve Head (see maps above for all place names) to link to Perran Wharf that way. So the upper level at Perran is now Perran Town station, the low level line that serves the fish wharves is Perran Wharf. I have left the old earthworks of the abandoned reversals on the hillside below Perran Town as a monument to the ineptitude of the surveyors and my own folly!

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:34 am

In the last 2 evenings I've laid track over the central highlands and down to Flushing Junc. I have had to place several balloon or dumb-bell curves and two spirals as the ground has been so steep. It is looking quite nice though. Flushing Junction is developing into quite a metropolis

sp762 · Post by **sp762** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:24 am

Can't wait to see it... pictures... alpha copies?

Mattaf · Post by **Mattaf** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:18 am

I'll BETA test it!

LOL

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:45 pm

A few shots of progress over the last few evenings. Please refer to the map earlier up this thread somewhere for locations.

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1) Carclew station on the north coastal line. This is just a passing loop which will have an island platform, plus a couple of sidings. The train is heading west-ish. Way down the cliff face is Baron Cardwell of Angarrick's private railway which leaves the 'main line' at Restronguet and plunges down the cliff to his Lordship's seaside mansion (or it will when it gets built). This line isn't on the map uploaded above as it was built late one evening after a couple of bottles of Australian Merlot had had their wicked way with me. It has mental gradients and is pure fun.

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2) Departing Carclew and heading off toward Stockdale Road. Magnificent views along this stretch.

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3) Leaving Stockdale Road. Another passing place plus a siding or two. Here a short branch (or long siding if you prefer) curves sharply off to the south and serves a small slate quarry. You may just be able to make out the track turning sharply right and exiting off the right side of the picture.

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4) Tullimar is just a halt with no passing facilities. A pair of sidings, one a kickback off the other allows freight to be shunted from either direction. It can get a bit bracing up here in winter.

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5) Perran Town station is based on the LNWR station at Holland Arms on Anglesea. The abortive line to the reversals to Wharf goes off to the left and you can just make out part of the abandoned track in the left distance at a lower level.

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6) Perran Town again from high altitude in the route editor. The abandoned earthworks and track of the reversals is to the right and way down on the right is the New Cut which finally brought the line to Perran Wharf via a curve back around Goonreeve Head at sea level from Treluswell.

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7) Passing what will be the site of Goonreeve Halt (it has no sidings) with Treluswell Bay in the distance. The glowering 3000ft height of Old Widdershins dominates the coast hereabouts. The flattish area above and to the right of the smoke and in the shadow of Old Widdershins is where the engineers laid out the Treluswell dumb-bell curve.

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8 ) Treluswell Bay. The line from Goonreeve comes in lower left, dropping at 1 in 60. It can then be traced in the extreme left distance coming in and cutting across the hillside descending all the way, here at 1 in 40. It goes off the right side of the picture around the Treluswell dumb-bell to return middle right just above the sea shore. It then runs along the shore to Treluswell station. Two lines cross the harbour, one serves the docks (the sidings this side of the bay) the other curves round just inland of the docks and running along the Undercliff becomes the New Cut to Perran Wharf. You can see it passing out of view lower right. The intention is to build Treluswell town up the hillside in the manner of Dartmouth or Ventnor, IoW.
A small stream called the Pickle gushes down the cliffs to the sea here. You can see where New Cut bridges it at the coast and the Goonreeve line crosses it's gorge higher up where there will be some kind of timber trestle.

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9) Treluswell bay again. Goonreeve Head upper right, line descending towards the dumb-bell at left. Treluswell passenger station is on the left (south) side of the bay with a couple of general freight sidings, the docks and engine shed on the right or north shore. Two wooden bridges will go under the tracks that leap over the water. I hope to have swing sections in the middle to allow ships to enter the inner basin. Treluswell's track plan is based closely on Kinnerley Junction on Col Stephens' Shropshire & Montgomery, but bent round a bit to fit the topography.

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10) Perran Wharf. The three tracks that stick out into the water are the fish wharves, a warehouse will cover the outside two at this end while the centre road is the loco release headshunt. This station is based on a Scottish light railway design of Iain Rice's. I will probably add a quayside line along the water's edge for general cargo.

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11) The climb up to the central highlands. This image isn't very clear I'm afraid as it was taken at extreme altitude in order to get everything in. Just out of shot upper left is Trelew Junction, close to sea level. The highlands line leaves it via a deep cutting which you can just see extreme left. This line then proceeds west climbing steadily until it reverses direction via a dumb-bell loop inland of Carvinack. It then reappears in shot middle left where it goes into the centre distance of the picture to spiral up and back on itself via the Philadelphia Spiral. You can see the site of the bridge in the centre of the picture. The line then comes west again to attack the gradient via a second dumb-bell (foreground) before reaching Philadelphia Farm Platform, upper right. Just in the extreme top right you may be able to make out the sidings of Pontefract's Creamery across the valley from Philly.

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12) Tregew, on top of the world, bleakest outpost of the railway atop the high moors. Not much scenery to add to this view

. The line from Philadelphia FP comes in from the top right. Top left is the peat siding. The line to Flushing leaves via the bottom of the picture. The kick-back siding in the centre background will serve the Pontneddfechan Sheep Farmers Co-operative warehouse. Of the 4 sidings to the right of the passing loop the furthest has now been extended up to the Trefusis Quarries which are out of shot over the camera's right shoulder.

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13) Flushing spiral. The central line comes down from Tregew and Trefusis from the top left, swings out to the left and comes back, curving around the head of a valley then negotiates the steeply falling spiral to end up top right of the picture where you can see a start has been made on laying out Flushing Junction. The barely-visible spur of track going out to the right is the start of the Penryn line. Flushing Harbour will be somewhere along the misty distant coast.

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14) Flushing Junction, not yet finished. The double track on the right will run between the two main platform faces, Flushing-Trelew trains on the right, Flushing-Penryn trains on the left. The left platform will be an island with a second Penryn track on that side. Outboard of this is a relief line for Penryn goods trains. Not yet laid is a track to the far right which will be a terminal platform, a bay road serving the Penarrow Branch, with connections to the main lines at this end. There are no goods facilities at Flushing Junc, all freight being handled at the nearby Flushing Harbour. The main locomotive works of the southern line is here and will be in the left distance beside the line to Penryn. Also in the left distance you can see the Carrick Island International sheep team doing a spot of formation grazing. Trevor the team captain is the fat one 3rd from the left.

Lots of work to do. I will require a scenery builder to assist me in some custom structures, mainly bridges. Any takers?

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:21 pm

Ah now thats nice!

Reminds me of Switzerland... Also those spirls!

saddletank wrote: Lots of work to do. I will require a scenery builder to assist me in some custom structures, mainly bridges. Any takers?

Well, I'd be prepared to do a few but I don't think I could take on the whole lot...

Bruce

sp762 · Post by **sp762** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:03 pm

may be able to make out the sidings of Pontefract's Creamery across the valley from Philly

So... it does have a " ' " in it.

You can have my timber viaduct if it's any use to you.

All it needs are handrails - and it's fairly modular, so can be adapted to several configurations.

I'm also working on some wharf bits.

Mike

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:23 pm

mm, looks like its gonna be a nice little railway this one martin

am looking foreward to it,

mm, well i'm very interested in learning to do scenery building, as you probably see with my route i like quaint structures and complicated scenery etc,
unfortunately even though i would be most happy to help, i think it would take me so long to train up in making scenery objects that by the time i'm any good at it, i'd be quite useless to you.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:09 pm

sp762 wrote:
Pontefract's Creamery
So... it does have a " ' " in it.

Drat and double drat, foiled again. Sasser frasser rassin'....

Hmmm...but the signwriter who did the wagons left the ' off. heh that'll do as an explanation.

The problem with the route Mike is that it's so twisty-turny that almost all the bridges are on curves. So a full set of bridges would have to be on 60m, 120m, 150m and 250m radius...

10deg curved sections would do. Looking at routes that use rectangular bridge sections and place them under curved track just does not look right. From an engineering point of view the stresses would be concentrated at the angles with disasterous consequences. So curved ones it'll have to be. There are straight ones too, a 50m length of generic timber trestle would do I think. I guess the height of all these from base of legs to decking will have to be about 50m as well. Not a simple modelling job at all.

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:43 pm

Looking at routes that use rectangular bridge sections and place them under curved track just does not look right.

darn you martin, you wern't supposed to notice those

lol

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:47 pm

sp762 wrote:

The legs are nice but too far apart, there needs to be more 'going on' below the deck I think. Handrails are no problem, if it's made without I can add lengths in different styles so the bridges look a bit different.

Mattaf · Post by **Mattaf** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:40 pm

Rotue looking great so far, Martin! Keep it up!

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:44 pm

Route resurrection time... Mike Wilson prodded me to pick up on this route now that Highworth is finished, so I am going to carry on. Mike has a heavy investment with all his super wagons, so he's biased.

Another NG route builder has very generously allowed me to use his 2x scenery models so I should be able to report progress soon

I'm shocked to see I started it 25 months ago

Next jobs: finish track laying, get rid of that billiard table green and put some sensible terrtex down. After that, watercourses, railway bridges, docks and wharves, roads. At least it'll keep me off the streets.

(edit: changed Mike's name to the right one... *sheepish* sorry Mike! )