Carrick Island - new project

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:26 pm

kevmt wrote:as long as it looks right then that's all that matters.

And does this look right? Or not? I am not much up on NG engineering, although my vision portrays this as an expensively engineered route, at least on the lines of the L&B, if not more so.

I'm unhappy about a stone arched viaduct across a wide river since from a construction point of view this would need lots of piling, cofferdams, blah, blah and is obviously an expensive job. Would a timber trestle look more appropriate, or too American? How about a solid sea wall type embankment just pierced with a simple plate girder span to let the tide in and out?

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:07 pm

You could widen what Kev said to 'if it feels right then it is right'

The narrow gauge empires which I keep referring to had very odd architecture, whatever was available but the enthusiasm with which it was put accross meant no one cared

By using default structures, fourty years on in a different and largely unexplored medium, you're doing the same thing

So the answer is yes and no

kevmt · Post by **kevmt** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:17 pm

Timber trestle bridges have certainly been used on Welsh NG routes. The picture below is of the Corris Railway (crossing the River Dovey)

There was also a timber trestle bridge used on the Festiniog & Blaenau Railway as well.

Kevin

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:21 pm

Hmmm....perhaps what I'm saying is I don't think those arches do look right. I want to aim for a route that is quite qualitatively built. A kind of Lynton & Barnstaple And Then Some or maybe what Brunel may have built had he been told to use 2' 4" gauge and had only 1/4 of the budget. But I definitely don't want a fantasy route, or a route that looks to be cobbled together with Kuju leftovers...

Ah, well I'll press on. I am not happy with those arches so will have a play about with a berm or two...

Kevin, yes I see what you mean, that timber trestle does not look at all American.

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:45 pm

Of course, I meant the model railways of 40 years ago in my previos post

The VoR had a similar bridge to the one above. In fact they appeared very popular in Wales

sp762 · Post by **sp762** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:10 pm

I can't remember the name of the layouts, but I think Paul Towers was the man who built them. The layouts featured very tall masonry and timber viaducts- they made an impression on me because i was but a nipper. Try RM 1968.

Anyway, I think my argument is, if it looks OK, do it.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:30 pm

I have to say that that Corrris timber viaduct has really smitten me - would anyone volunteer to build something that could be used in modular form and 'based on' that photo? I think the side fences do much to diminish the USA look to trestles.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 10:27 am

How serious are you lot?

I have slipped a 'secret' branch line into the system which is rather silly and not at all to be taken seriously. It isn't quite on the Doc Emmett "Far Twitering and Oysterperch" style but is pretty daft. It does not affect the main lines and can be ignored. Will this spoil the route for you?

As a quick update I have slowed down a bit this week due to not many free evenings, but if you look at the map, I have laid in the track from Mylor Churchtown as far as Restronguet now and part way to Helwyn & Angarrick. All industries, mines and quays associated with this length are also in. I'm smoothing and adjusting the terrain as I go but no scenery as of yet, hence no screenshots.

GavinW · Post by **GavinW** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:30 am

Nope wo't spoil the route at all. After all it is a fictional route ! Go for it !!

sp762 · Post by **sp762** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:25 am

So you won't be wanting this 0-2-0 locomotive then?

GavinW · Post by **GavinW** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:45 am

Far Twittering and Oystercreek 0-2-0 if my Ian Allan ABC of the Festival of Britian is correct. Built as a fill in during a couple of tea breaks at Crewe when they were doing the Brits.

Thought it had been scrapped ages ago.

I didn't know that the NRM even had it, let alone retored it. They did keep that one secret.

Green Arrow is obviously in a worse condition than they are letting on to as apparently it is standing in on a Paddington - Birmingham special this weekend!

Should really go on 10 Mk 1s and a 47 as well.

Got some tablets to take now............................

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 1:43 am

Yes, it's a great engine isn't it? Crying out for BazzaMotion(tm) so it rocks back and forwards on it's single axle. Perhaps there is a market for a very simple and completely daft route? Ian Morgan and I discussed doing Ivor the engines route a long time ago but nothing came of it.

Mattaf · Post by **Mattaf** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 9:49 am

How is this route going?

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:05 am

It's been on ice since the end of November. I began it because Highworth had stalled due to the crashing on exiting activities bug, but that was fixed recently and it is full steam ahead for Highworth at the moment getting it finished. That should be reasonably soon, hopefully in January sometime. Then while it goes off to the actvity writers it's back to Carrick Island (if the ferry is operating through the winter storms

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Mattaf · Post by **Mattaf** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:26 pm

Any news on the route? And Martin could I please have a copy of the route history? My email address is at the bottom of this post.