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WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:07 am
by kevmt
A little something I'm working on, at the moment. This is to go with a Trainz WW1 route currently under construction (not by me). Rather surprisingly, I made the original of this loco almost 6 years ago, so it's needing a little rebuilding!!




Cheers,
Kevin

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:21 am
by jefran
Exquisite! Don't tell me that this is the starting point, and the rebuild is going to make it a qauntum leap better still, or I shall have to consider my position

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:36 pm
by kevmt
jefran wrote:Exquisite! Don't tell me that this is the starting point, and the rebuild is going to make it a qauntum leap better still, or I shall have to consider my position
Thanks, Andrew :)

No need to consider your position, This was the starting point for the loco :-


Click the image to zoom in


I thought it was pretty good at the time ;)

Cheers,
Kevin

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:14 pm
by clay001
Always been perhaps my favourite of your models, absolutely lovely.

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:54 pm
by jefran
Thanks Kevin, I can breathe again!. Lots of scope with this one , WDLR engines, Ashover engines in red, Ashover engines in black, cannibalised Ashover engines, Glyn Valley with copper chimney cap and fullish cab, Snailbeach, WHR 590, or even the Moroccan engines on which they were based. You've obviously done some investigating as you've placed the lamp glass off centre as in the Baldwin works photograph (but not on most drawings I have seen)

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:09 pm
by andrewgadd
Beautiful as always Kevin....
I have a dim recollection of a fact that Baldwin built about 450 of these engines in a two year period. I must look it up.....

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:36 pm
by jefran
495 delivered within 13 months of the order being placed!

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:18 pm
by andrewgadd
Pretty impressive by any standards.
Even for the Yanks.......

Mind you, they were . engines to operate.

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:28 pm
by MuzTrem
Looking spectacular 8)

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:28 am
by kevmt
Many thanks for the comments :)

The drawings do have the lamp glass centred, but, the works photos I had used as referenced had it placed in the position shown (as you surmised, Andrew ;)).

Having looked at a few more photos this morning of the loco at work, all of the pictures show the lamp glassed centred, as in the plans. Would I be right in assuming the works photos were "wrong", and used a non standard lamp, and that the majority of loco lamps would have the glass centered?

Cheers,
Kevin

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:22 pm
by jefran
I've just looked through Keith Taylorson's Narrow Gauge at Way Vol 2 and seen centred glasses and one that is decidedly above centre! I suspect that it was a matter of how they came out, and many engines haven't got them at all.

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:58 am
by sp762
Brilliant, Kev. Will we see it in KRS as well? How about a reskinning kit... ;)

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:04 am
by kevmt
Thanks Mike,

I have a feeling it will make it into RS ;) Will have to have a think about a reskining kit.

Cheers,
Kevin

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:33 am
by andrewgadd
These engines had some really peculiar habits while in action on the front. My favourite was the tendency for the engine to topple over with no apparent warning after being left for some time….
It turned out that the balance pipe to the tanks was of an extremely small bore, before leaving the loco for a break the enginemen would top up the boiler (normal practice) and wander off for tea. Due to the PT Way being far from permanent at the front (mud mostly) and the loco now depleted of a fair amount of water from one tank (remember the injector will only feed from one side) would start to lean to the heaver tank. As the loco leaned the water would now slowly work its way through the balance pipe, but from the lower side to the higher side. After a period of time the loco would just become too heavy in one tank and it would just tip over in the mud!!!
If you look closely at photos of the Ashover engines you’ll notice they all have large diameter balance pipes running from tank to tank under the smokebox. As none of the other engines that ran in this country have better balance pipe I can only surmise that the PT Way on the Ashover left a lot to be desired???

Re: WW1 4-6-0 Baldwin

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:40 pm
by kevmt
jefran wrote:I've just looked through Keith Taylorson's Narrow Gauge at Way Vol 2 and seen centred glasses and one that is decidedly above centre! I suspect that it was a matter of how they came out, and many engines haven't got them at all.
Thanks for that, Andrew.

Cheers,
Kevin