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Which Route?
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:10 pm
by andrewtoplis
Hi All,
I am looking for a narrow gauge route to download, will someone recomend me one? I like the look of the Baxter & Son Railway... Or the Piddlington route...both are on Uktrainsim.
Any Suggestions or things I should know? Will I have to download activities seperately (never done it before see)
Thanks Lads
Andy
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:35 pm
by jbilton
Hi Andy
Welcome to the forums.
Both those routes are very very nice.....but I don't remember them coming with many activities.
Try the Talyllyn
 | |  | Talyllyn Railway Route V1.5.1a Self Install File [35110425 bytes] - Talyllyn V151a ROUTE.zip
File ID: 3604 Date: 26 Oct 2002 - 5574 Downloads |
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 | | | Talyllyn Railway Route V1.5.1a ReadMe File [8137449 bytes] - Talyllyn V151a README.zip
File ID: 2673 Date: 26 Oct 2002 - 3559 Downloads |
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 | | | Talyllyn Railway Route V1.5.1a Example Activities & Consists [188851 bytes] - Talyllyn V151a ACTS&CONS.zip
File ID: 3632 Date: 27 Oct 2002 - 2530 Downloads |
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Also loads of related good stuff
http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-searc ... or=spontin
Then if you like it , you can also get the updated version off the UKTS CDs
http://www.uktrainsim.com/ordercd.php?
Only £6 including a donation to the railway.
Cheers
Jon
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:05 pm
by andrewgadd
Hi Mate,
Try the Piddington, it's very quick to download (including patch) and easy to install.
Note: The Piddington is a truescale route, that means that it is built to the same scale that the default MSTS routes are built to. The Talyllyn (above) is a x2 scale route and uses x2 scale rolling stock!
All of my rolling stock is truescale (uploaded under the "Bodgit & Scarper" guise).
Please note that "XTracks" is also need for the Piddington, just download the latest version (get the self installer one) and run the package.
Andrew.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:40 pm
by RobertM
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:45 pm
by Earl1
Go for the piddington, I've found that the W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:47 pm
by RobertM
Earl1 wrote:Go for the piddington, I've found that the W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using
What part of it's inacurate???
RobertM
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:06 pm
by pitleyfalley
W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using
Its very accurate, depicts the line as it used to be so is of course different to how it is today. Great Route and well worth it.
Chris
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:38 pm
by andrewtoplis
okay I have pressed download for the Pidlington...now I need stock, right? Couple of engine recommends then please! (I am a complete newbie, please forgive the lame sounding posts!)
I will grab the Bodgit & Scarper wagons tomorrow, as they look really good.
Andy
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:14 pm
by davvydo
NG coaches, they are the green ones, very cute !
they have passenger views too !
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:36 pm
by Frsimplex1993
Terry's wren's and stock, the Bodgit stuff and the Baugley Petrol Tractor.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:45 pm
by davidaward
Earl1 wrote:I've found that the W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using
I too must defend Welshpool, its a fabulous route set in the old days and most entertaining to work. Compare it with old photos and its spot on. Plus there's excellent stock to go with it.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:24 pm
by Gingerme
W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using
Sorry, but i also have to defend the welshpool and Llanfair. It is a great route to download and i would VERY strongly reccomend the download. Mainly because it uses non-default buildings etc, which make me wonder why the author hasn't made people pay for it!!
I have also compared the route to the route in books, and it is practically spot on! If you can point out a part which is not accurate, then i will be happy to hear it! I raise my hat to the author!
Regards
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:40 pm
by Earl1
I have also compared the route to the route in books, and it is practically spot on! If you can point out a part which is not accurate, then i will be happy to hear it! I raise my hat to the author!
I trust that anyone who defends this route will listen to a voice from experience, as the major flaw i find is being confronted with New Drive a meer couple of hundred yards beyond Raven Square, instead of the 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile of a 1 in 30 climb.
I also Know that the section between Llanfair and Heniarth suffers the flaws of lacking large amounts of photographic coverage, only places like Mill Curves, Tanllan, and Heniarth itself have been covered in detail.
While books are accurate they cannot replace a working knowledge of the route, mine comes from a life's connection with the line, and as a trainee fireman.
I wish no offence to the creator of the route, but do find it hard to believe that it can be classed as highly accurate.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:47 am
by davidaward
Earl1 wrote:I have also compared the route to the route in books, and it is practically spot on! If you can point out a part which is not accurate, then i will be happy to hear it! I raise my hat to the author!
I trust that anyone who defends this route will listen to a voice from experience, as the major flaw i find is being confronted with New Drive a meer couple of hundred yards beyond Raven Square, instead of the 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile of a 1 in 30 climb.
I also Know that the section between Llanfair and Heniarth suffers the flaws of lacking large amounts of photographic coverage, only places like Mill Curves, Tanllan, and Heniarth itself have been covered in detail.
While books are accurate they cannot replace a working knowledge of the route, mine comes from a life's connection with the line, and as a trainee fireman.
I wish no offence to the creator of the route, but do find it hard to believe that it can be classed as highly accurate.
It is all to do with the limitations of the simulator itself. No route is 100% accurate, I can find errors on SVR, because I know it very well, having fired along it many times. I say hats off to the author of Welshpool, it is a very challenging project to create a route from scratch only having old photos and a much changed route as reference.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:36 pm
by saddletank
Earl1, it is a great tragedy of so many route building projects that authors struggle for months and sometimes years to produce a route only to be criticised when it's finished by people who know it well - the tragedy being that those people and the author never get in contact during the building process so that helpful information can be passed on.
You hear exactly the same thing at model railway shows - the public picking holes in an otherwise beautiful model because they know the area better.
I'm not criticising you, it's just a sad fact of life that these things happen - people aren't together at the right time.
However I am surprised at your comments as the route author took a long time to build the route. I believe he is a member of the WLLR preservation society and spent days and days on site and talking to other members (and IIRC had access to the society's records). The terrain was created from scanned old OS maps so I find it very hard to believe that there are errors of hundreds of yards in the placement of significant parts of the model. When you digitally recreate terrain in this way it's pretty much impossible to get spatial errors like that, as many route builders know.
If you could provide a screenshot of the area of the route that you say is at fault alongside a photo or map of the same location I'd be interested to see the comparison.
Martin
