Isle of Man

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:58 pm

the version one i think is fantastic too !!!!
a really lovely engine to drive too !

twomanydjs · Post by **twomanydjs** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:44 pm

Dos any one know the gradient profile for the Isle of Man steam railway as i use it in the route i am trying to bulid. It is taking longer than i at first thought and i sould have the track work done by the new year.

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:05 pm

Grad profile is all over the place. Leaving Douglas on the Port Erin line, its 1:60 after the carriage shed, all the way to White Hoe Crossing and the pig farm at Ellenbrook. After then its fairly undulating. James Boyds books are what you want for this, give fairly detailed summary in their pages as to what the grad's were like.

The Peel Line is a lot flater; more like gradients of 1:200 or flat. However there are some steeper bits.

Id have thought it wouldnt be too necessary as I assume for something as hilly as the Isle of Man your using DEM data? In which case just make the track fit the land... If youve got the co-ordinates right then its a simple case of joining the dots.

As for long time tracklaying, i know how you feel. I began an IoM project some time ago, took an entire evening to lay Douglas Yard as it was in the 60's!!!

Chris

twomanydjs · Post by **twomanydjs** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:04 am

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what do you think of no2 Derby at the soon to be Douglas Station on the IoM route i am building

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:30 am

Looking promising

, niggle - you need to remove the 3 legs of man and the number 2 from the buffer beam. That was somthing only No.4 Lo ch ran with in the 80's and 90's. They were in fact added when 4 was the regular Port Erin engine, by Port Erin Driver Jeff Kelly.

Heehee a triva question see how many ppl get this! After what date does that model become incorrect? Ie: At what point did No.2 Derby change so that model isnt right, what changes were made to the engine?

Chris

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:26 pm

When it was scrapped?

Frsimplex1993 · Post by **Frsimplex1993** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:39 pm

COOL!

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:46 pm

wasn't exactly scrapped it was used as a source of spares to all the other engines except it's front bogey wheels, so in fact in a way it is still with us, woooooo !!!

btw that track layout has started to get me really excited about this route, cant wait !!!!

will this route be for download, or to buy from the ukts site ?
i would recommend having it put onto disk, makes it easier to install, without waiting in the queue. but the trick is to go online and download the files at 2 o clock in the morning when the queue is empty but who wants to do that on a regular basis, not me because you face the cosequences in the morning when you cant get out of bed, and it is an early start too, grrrrrr

route looks good already, we are all behind you !

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:13 pm

Nice stuff, both loco and route. What era will the route be set in?

twomanydjs · Post by **twomanydjs** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:28 pm

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Douglas yard i am doing the route as it is to day so tell me is it right i havnt been to the island for a few years and i am working from pics i have from when i was last there also i have a full set of stock old and present althought not correct the route it self is not perfect but the line runs as far as Port Sodrick.

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:35 pm

Looks good. I don't know much about Douglas yard, but I do have a pic here:

Could I possibly persaude you to backdate the route just a little, to the early 90's? Douglas still had a second island platfrom then, so it would give a little more activity potential. But it is your route, so if you want to do it today then that's fine.

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:40 pm

Ummm a little odd, methinks the engine shed should be a lot longer, bear in mind theres the running shed (which holds about 10 engines if needs be) then the paintshop behind that which had both the CDR railcars in it at one point, then behind that the carriage works, again capapable of holding 2 coaches.

Behind that is the spur onto the Carriage Shed (the new one) and again that should hold a 10 coach set on each road near enough.

All looks a little bit too curvy atm. The main running line should run along the side of the repair shop (the right hand shed road in your shot) before curving away gently to the left once its cleared the end of douglas carriage shed...

Chris

*Apologies if i seem very critical of this so far, I would love to see it in MSTS, however being such an avid IoMR fan i also really want to see it done right!*

twomanydjs · Post by **twomanydjs** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:14 pm

Chris i will try but if you want to send me a rougth drawing of the yard it would help otherwise it will stay as it is.you also have a pm from me .
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davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:21 pm

pitleyfalley wrote:.

Heehee a triva question see how many ppl get this! After what date does that model become incorrect? Ie: At what point did No.2 Derby change so that model isnt right, what changes were made to the engine?

Chris

Would that be in 1909 when it received a new cab rear sheet with rectangular spectacles rather than circular ones, as a result of accident damage repair.

Or the earlier mod when the injector overflow pipe was extended down the tankside?

It was further altered in 1912 when it was given larger side tanks and a new front cab sheet with rectangular spectacles rather than circular ones.

And again in 1923 when fitted with a 'Bradshaw' boiler with a ross pop safety valve in the dome.

Manx Peacocks- the IOMSR Bible!

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:11 am

Im impressed, well done mate! Was thinking of the 1909 incident when it got the new cab sheets!

you also have a pm from me .

Can you send again? No PM yet....

Chris