Isle of Man

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:49 pm

That's pretty comprehensive David!
Anyway-the quality of the new skins spurred me into making a V2 of my Pender skin, with improved boiler and cylinder textures, a re-lettered nameplate and a better cimney number:

Hope you like

Will hopefully upload sometime next week-I'll have to make a new .exe file for it when I've got time.

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:11 pm

Nice Murray. Won't bedownloading though as I already have too many variants (Nos 1 - 4 plus valley railway liveries)

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:48 pm

It won't take up any nore disk space if you downloaded the old one-it'll just replace the old textures. I can send you them as a patch if you want!

twomanydjs · Post by **twomanydjs** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:49 am

Are the rumours true is the manx railway going to rebuild the peel line and what colour should i do Derby and Tynwald in

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:48 am

Murray - I'm sure that the patch would like to arrive in my inbox!!!

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:58 pm

twomanydjs wrote:Are the rumours true is the manx railway going to rebuild the peel line

Reopening of all or part of the Peel line has been talked about vaguely many times over the years, but it is very unlikely to happen. Aside from re-laying the track the infrastructure would have to be re-built, a neew site would have to be found for Peel station as a car park occupies the old one, many more locos would have to be restored to handle the extra trains, which would need extra coaches too, and there would be mountains of paperwork and red tape...the cost would be astronomical. And to be honest transport from Douglas-Peel can be provided just as effectivley with buses. You can never say never, but the odds of the Peel line re-opening are very, very slim.

twomanydjs wrote:what colour should i do Derby and Tynwald in

Tynwald and Derby were withdrawn in 1946 and 1951 respectivley; Indian Red was introduced in the 50's so Tynwald probably carried the original Brunswick green livery until withdrawal; Derby might possibly have carried Indian Red. But I'm not sure so don't quote me on it!

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:02 pm

Derby did carry Indian red I think - but again I'm not sure.

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:02 pm

Are the rumours true is the manx railway going to rebuild the peel line

that should be good although a lot of engineering work would be needed like the viaducts like glen moar at peel

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:17 pm

they would make a version two when i download the version one !!!!lol

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:26 pm

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should it be red or white rods too ?

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:16 pm

The only condititon authentic for any of these models is Brunswick green as originally built and only numbers 1-3 can be done. They only ran liek this for a couple of years until the tanks were enlarged so Indian Red would be inauthentic.

The rest are different in tank size/boiler etc, if you read my earlier post it'll tell you.

The Pender reskin looks Very nice by the way.

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:37 pm

Murray - how about giving it the names & numbers for Sutherland and Derby and doing the 3 in one installer?

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:44 pm

Hmm Peel line reopening:

Yes its been on the cards before hand, but that doesnt mean it wont happen. The original plans centered around a rebuild for the 1998 Steam 125 celebrations, 125 years of the Peel Line, and as many will know, Sutherland did steam in Peel that year on a temporary track.

At the time the estimated budget for the rebuild was Â£20M; for the entire 11 mile line. However at the time hidden costs would have escalated this, such as the rebuilding of locos and carriages to compensate for the extra traffic.

Well times change, as do politics. David Howard the new minister for transport a few years ago, has systematically invested Â£20M of Gov Money into the railways; securing their future for the next 30 or 40 years at least, it would be political suicide for anyone to suggest closing them.

So what about the Peel Line: Well David Howard has made it clear he aims to retire within the next 18 months. The man who brought about corporate liveries, stopped the galas and made himself very unpopular with a lot of people, (most of whom forget that without him we probably wouldnt have any railways left on the Isle of Man anymore, as they were planned for condemnation at the end of the '99 season)... When he goes who knows who we will get, personally I think with the right man/woman in charge, we could possibly see the Peel Line rebuilt. The IoMR now has about 7 working steam engines, the most since about 1960 I think... the carriages are in fine health and there is a spare coaching set.. If not now then methinks never.

Re: Liveries: The model of the IoM engine out now should be Brunswick Green.. with red and black lining. The condition No.'s 1-5 were built in. 7-9 came with bigger tanks im afraid. So atm, we're limited to that. Once a new model with bigger tanks comes out then 1-9 can be done in any guise (provided they were still running!) and then with the final model 10-13 can be done. Hutchinson and Manin should have even bigger tanks and square cabs (but different)...

1873-1945 - Dark Green
1945-1968 - Indian Red
1968-1980 - Ailse Green
1980 - 2001 - No.4 Maroon, No.10 and 13 Dark Green, No.11 Indian Red, No.12 Blue till 1997 then Indian Red with normal cab, No.1 Ailsa Green and No.15 Maroon.

Chris

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:22 pm

Davydo-the viaducts at Glen Moar and Glen Wyllin (not sure about the spellings, sorry!) are on the St Johns-Ramsey section, which would not affect reopening to Peel. Also, I think the rods on Hutchinson should be red.

David-thanks for the kind words about Pender. As for the differnet tank sizes for later liveries, I (personally) think the difference is small enough to be overlooked-if looks right, it is right IMHO.

Jon-I did think about that, yes. I'll see what I can do. I'd also quite like to do a weathered version-I have a nice colour photo of Fenella in green to work from-but I doubt I'll have time. By the way, if anyone with the earlier version of Pender wants the patch just e-mail me, it may be some time before I get around to making an installer.

Chris-you're right, David Howard has done a lot of good work. The only thing I dislike about the changes made during his time is the arrival of health and saftey mania on the Island, and even that is probably not entirely his fault, if indeed at all. Corporate livery is a little boring but it could have been worse (pink and yellow, say) and we'll get by without the galas. And though I remain sceptical, if money can be found to re-open to Peel, fantastic and good luck to them; I must admit Â£20M is rather lower than I was expecting.

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:59 pm

Â£20M was a 1998 estimate, and seemed low even then. As for the gala's your right, it just makes us appreciate them when we do get them!

As for H and S, again, not Mr Howards fault, and much though I hate to say this, a lot of it was a good idea. Ok high vis's everywhere maybe not, but some bits were an accident waiting to happen. Electric Tram sheds are never the safest of places at the best of times, less still when you can just wander into them!

Peel would be nice but dont hold out your hopes.

Chris