Isle of Man

twomanydjs · Post by **twomanydjs** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:16 pm

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is there any one who could put a square cab on Hutchinson for me and it also needs larger tanks too by the way what do you think to the colour?

refman · Post by **refman** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:25 pm

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Looking good.......get in touch

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:28 pm

what route is that? not the isle of man already ?!?!?!

refman · Post by **refman** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:15 pm

Valley Railway ( 3ft narrow gauge )

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:16 pm

For the last time you cannot reskin locos currently available to Nos 10 - 13 as they are not accurate

I can confirm No. 4 is an amzing piece of work (just been driving it courtesy of Reg) and the route is the Valley Railway I believe.

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:39 pm

Model of Hutchinson.. blue is too dark, cab needs to be square, tanks need to be a bit bigger than the 10-13 series, as in the 1980 rebuilt it got given even bigger tanks, and the boiler needs to be way way bigger aswell.

Minor details, the injector overflow pipe is in the wrong place, the dome is the wrong shape and the chimmney is too long. Other minor details are the small '12' above the nameplate on one side only.

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:45 pm

... Okies time for some reskinning, something which doesnt happen too often. Excpect a MNR maroon Caledonia and a Manx Peacock asap folks.

Chris

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:04 pm

yes the blue is too dark. it was sky blue, very bright, and yes larger side tanks too.

any coaches coming out of the workshop den ?

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:22 pm

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that route looks really good, the download sed it would take over two hours and i have broadband !!!!

how long is the route,
i am thinking of getting cross fell too, how long is that one ????

i am asking coz i can get bored easily with a route with lots of track and no sidings if ya know what i mean !!

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:43 am

Just spotted this thread after getting back from holiday. A pity about the historical innaccuracies as apart from this they are good skins, much better than my Pender skin which took me about ten minutes to make!
David-for referance, the engines that can accuratley be created from Refman's original model are:

1 Sutherland
2 Derby
3 Pender
7 Tynwald
8 Fenella
9 Douglas
14 Thornhill

Of these only Nos 1 and 8 have run in preservation.
Hope this helps!

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:52 am

I'm sending Reg the drawings for Nos. 4 - 6 and 10 - 13, so they'll be more soon!

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:11 am

MuzTrem wrote:Just spotted this thread after getting back from holiday. A pity about the historical innaccuracies as apart from this they are good skins, much better than my Pender skin which took me about ten minutes to make!
David-for referance, the engines that can accuratley be created from Refman's original model are:
1 Sutherland
2 Derby
3 Pender
7 Tynwald
8 Fenella
9 Douglas
14 Thornhill

Of these only Nos 1 and 8 have run in preservation.
Hope this helps!

I always thought it was only 1-5 you could make, as the rest where different in some way or another?

David

JonPotter · Post by **JonPotter** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:10 am

4 - 6 are not the same, neither are 7 - 9, due to minor (in some case very minor!) detail differences. Same for 14. However, Murrays list can all be produced without noticing the differences really.

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:06 pm

The Manx Peacocks can broadly be split into three types, small, large and extra-large. 1, 2, and 3 were small; 4, 5, and 6 were of the larger type for the Port Erin line. But 7, 8 and 9 reverted to the small type which has always had me puzzled (perhaps some better-informed reader can explain to me). Then there were the larger tanks, 10, 11, 12, and 13 built during the Edwardian period. 14 was smaller as she was second-hand; she was built at about the same time as 7, 8, 9 for the Manx Northern as thier No 3. 15 was of course the Dubs and finally 16 was the sole extra-large engine built in 1926.

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:59 pm

If anyone wants to know anything about IMR locos i can recommend nothing more than 'The Manx Peacocks' by David Lloyd Jones. It even has some scale drawings in there which could be of use to you modellers.

Right then try to explain the variations in thew family!

1-9 all originally built as small boilered locos like the current MSTS model that is available- none of the others can be modelled. There are variations within these however, 1-3 as built had small tanks like the current MSTS model (when originally built) but these were enlarged to current condition. the rest of the small boilered series were built with the slightly larger tanks

10-13 larger boilered types built from 1910 onwards they have a much bulkier appearance and there are variations in this batch such as 10 doesn't have numerals on its chimney, 13 has a copper cap chimney etc......

14 Manx Northern Beyer Peacock- identical to 8 and 9

16- Manin- largest of the manx Peacocks with larger boiler than 10-13 when new and square cab. Bigger and bulkier appearance than the 10-13 series.

Rebuilds

The tanks on No.s 1-3 were originally a lot smaller and were rebuilt soon after the opening of the line. This small tank arrangement is how reg's model is currently.

In the 1910-20 period, No.s 4-6 were rebuilt to the same specification as No.s 10-13 with new larger boilers/tanks etc. But variations still remained in the series such as 4's bell mouth dome.

10-13 Now sport larger boilers (of similar diameter to Manin's) and tanks since the 1970s.

12 Had square can and larger more angular side tanks after its 1979 rebuild. This made it resemble manin in appearance. Rebuilt in mid-late 1990s with new curved tanks and curved cab. Now it is the same as 10-13 in appearance, tank and boiler size.

there has been many variations within the fleet on safety valve arrangements/ domes/chimneys etc for em to list here- get hold of the book and it'll tell you!

Liveries

Original livery- a Brunswick green like No.10 wore in the 1990s.
Caledonia was painted in green by the IMR when taken over, though was little cared for and ended up in a sombre black livery post-war.
Indian Red came on stream in the 1950s.
1968 the remaining operational fleet were painted in the Ailsa green including Number 15. (rather like LNER apple green)- as No1 appeared in 1998 Soon after 15 was painted in original conditio before withdrawal
1979- Hutchinson went Blue after its rebuild.
1980s- much more variation in liveries- No.4 went maroon, 11, Indian Red, 13 into original green.
1990s- Sutherland returned in Ailsa green, 10 appeared in original Green, 15 returned in its original MNR livery.
late 90s/2000 All locos were repainted in corporate Indian Red except 15 which went blue.

Hope this is of use to you all!