Leek & Manifold Valley Light Railway (Big pictures)

[mccormackpj]

Yes, lets, however your comment re: side elevation could be missread to indicate existing available drawings are side elevation only........so to make it clear, they are not. Even the Oakwood book has four view plans as published in Model Railway News by R Tustin.

Regards, Dave

Thanks for that clarification. Again, I was making a general comparison rather than a specific one with existing L&MVLR drawings.

If I sounded over-enthusiastic about this future publication it's because I have been disappointed by the curious omissions and variable quality of the existing, large format, 'definitive' histories of British NG railways to which I referred and the L&M drawings I saw (admittedly at first glance) appeared to improve substantially on most of those in these titles.

It is a sad fact of the publishing industry that publication dates often slip, so no moaning from anyone when this title doesn't appear in the Autumn!

Patrick

[mccormackpj]

Calthrop was the engineer for the Barsi Light Railway, in India. He wrote several papers based on his methods, which were recently collected and published. Some of his designs for the Barsi included eight coupled tank locos. Now that would have been something to see... plans etc to the usual address

The Barsi locos were also Kitsons, 484T 'big brothers' to the L&M 264Ts. Four very similar locos - to the Barsi's, that is - ran on the 2'6" Cyprus Government Railway, two being built in 1915 and another pair in 1920. So the virtual L&M could be a 'test track' for all sorts of Kitsons! Perhaps even a Kitson-Meyer ?

About a dozen photos of the CGR appeared in Railway Bylines Summer Special No.6 (pub. Irwell Press) which really whetted my appetite. BS Turner's The Story of the Cyprus Goverment Railway is the book, but I haven't seen one for years. I have a very small idea that it may have been reprinted recently, but check with your favourite railway bookseller ..

Patrick

[bravedan]

Don't have time to re-search for the links I found, but there are several Indian and European sites with Barsi info, including pics of the bigger 2' 6" gauge Kitsons they had...........................

If you look and your Search Engine doesn't get there, you are using the wrong one!!

Dave

[mccormackpj]

We use 'Copernic' to manage searches of multiple search engines. The free version, Copernic Basic, is available from http://www.copernic.com/. A search across 17 search engines for the words 'Barsi', 'Light' and 'Railway' produces 87 pages, for the phrase containing these words, 52. You can then sort them by URL address and knock out the duplicates - if you pay for the software you can get this done semi-automatically. A very useful tool for business and/or pleasure!

Patrick

[jimmyladd]

Is it possiable to make working piggyback wagons for the route? that would be fantastic if it is!

[ianmacmillan]

Is it possiable to make working piggyback wagons for the route? that would be fantastic if it is!

I don't think it would be possible.

The transporters would have to be seen by MSTS as track for the wagons to run on to them. Then that track would have to be made movable.

If you could move track then someone would have made a working turntable by now or at least a traverser.

It should be possible to have it as an animated scenic object.

[jimmyladd]

Pity, that would have been good!

[steamnut44]

Just though all you Leek & manifold enthusiasts, may be interested to know, that a new book is due for release around September 2004, by Bob Gratton.
He wrote the Ashover Light Railway, published by Wild Swan (£25 Hard Back).
This new book will contain some unpublished material about the L&M, so Bob has told me.
I have all the books ever published on the L&M including a first edition of the 1955 book by Dr Hollick.
I have also got some original post cards of the railway circa 1910.

Iam looking forward to this route, any idea when it will be released?
Geoff

[bravedan]

Just though all you Leek & manifold enthusiasts, may be interested to know, that a new book is due for release around September 2004, by Bob Gratton.
He wrote the Ashover Light Railway, published by Wild Swan (£25 Hard Back).
This new book will contain some unpublished material about the L&M, so Bob has told me.
I have all the books ever published on the L&M including a first edition of the 1955 book by Dr Hollick.
I have also got some original post cards of the railway circa 1910.

Iam looking forward to this route, any idea when it will be released?
Geoff

Thanks for info, I was aware of the book's production, but of course detail of it's content has yet to emerge.

To my knowledge most of the available postcards which have useable info on them have already been used in publicatons, but you may be in a better position to comment and assist there.

Given the length of time since it's demise, and the rather limited number of "tomes" written about it then or since, it'll be a neat trick to add any significant authenticated fresh info to the pot, but I'll be eagerly looking to see what emerges. I have to say though I'm not that hopeful. Be VERY happy to be proved wrong............

With regard the Route's progress, I can only comment on the stock where progress is slow but steady. Just trying to decide if it's REALLY worth producing the transporters as yet another model variation with the later angle iron wheel lift "rails" in their rarely used "extra clearance" position.

With so many shows and 100 year celebrations this way currently (Worthing is next, 100 years of Motor Buses, 24th and 25th July), I'm totally out of it for the next couple of weeks.............currently have a full time (unpaid!) job prepping 5 Buses between 1909 and 1930 for MOT's (and getting them to and from the Test Station 14 miles away over hilly terrain with lots of double white lined road and no lay-by's or other places to safely stop...........it's a challenge, believe me!!)...........two more to go next Wed, one of which has a practical top speed on the level of about 10 mph, and so far sponsored ride-on for it has not emerged....................

[saddletank]

MODERATOR NOTE

I've moved this thread to the Narrow Gauge forum which seems a much more appropriate place for it.

Martin
Moderator Team

[pitleyfalley]

Regarding the movable transporter wagons, you could have them as static objects (so the SG ones wont move)... lay track onto them (with no track texture maybe? Or even submerged (Andrew Gadd your specialist area methinks)... so it would appear that you shunt onto the SG wagons.

With SG wagonns with NG wagons on top (made as a model) and empty SG wagons it would be possible to have effects such as shunting NG wagons onto the SG ones, running off up the line, and on the return the SG wagons were empty again, but the wagons which had been shunted onto would appear to have moved, by placing and removing consists methinks...

Chris

[Christopher125]

Hi Pitley

I thought the standard guage wagons went on narrow guage transporters, or were there transporters on both?

Chris

[bravedan]

Yes, Chris, the transporters, the only ones built to be used in England in that era, were Narrow Gauge like the line ..... with Std gauge wagons carried on them.

Dave

[pitleyfalley]

Shows how much I know about the L and M, I naturally assumed the smaller wagons would sit on the bigger ones... In that case reverse my other post... i think it would still work....

Shunt NG empty wagons into siding with SG ones sitting there, dissapear off up line and on return they have magically moved, by removing the SG consist, and replacing the empty NG one with a loaded NG one.

Chris

[pitleyfalley]

Even more oops, I really should have known that... Southwold was going to do the same thing in their proposed 1930's revival which came to nothing.. *hangs head in shame*