Withdrawn 1.7.xxxxxx

GenmaSaotome · Post by **GenmaSaotome** » Fri May 18, 2007 9:00 pm

This is all I ask for is a bin file with features that do not require changes to existing physics files to be useful.

The principle of do no harm is understood by those of us in N.A. who are keen on helping George. Like yourself, we don't want to see the rug pulled out (again). The first time was enough.

ronald parkin · Post by **ronald parkin** » Sat May 19, 2007 7:13 pm

Hi All, Did any of you notice that on the last Bin patch,George had lowered the F7 car No indicator to a point just above the car and it is alot better.

Regards

Ron P

bdy26 · Post by **bdy26** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:50 pm

jbilton wrote:
bdy26 wrote:it strikes me that the last bin patch works fine if basic amends are made to eng files - hope it is back soon, I didn't get chance to download it. What this does show is that MSTS has fundamental flaws that should have been picked up many years ago, certainly in MSTS2, The community quite rightly came up with its solutions, and now George (and the man is an absolute hero in my book) has done what MS failed to do, which has lead to this! I hope there is a fix to this that maybe reverts to old physics settings, as I would love the AI sound triggers.

Thanks George, it's all really appreciated.
http://www.activitysimulatorworld.net/Patch_MSTS.htm

Still available.

Cheers
Jon

Thanks Jon!

JordanstonBoy · Post by **JordanstonBoy** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:30 pm

It is still available on the Czech site as well.................

http://www.blueboard.cz/dcounter.php?hi ... 051220.zip

rosssweet · Post by **rosssweet** » Sun May 20, 2007 9:38 pm

Try here

http://mstsbin.uktrainsim.com/cz/cz.html

Regards Ross

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Mon May 21, 2007 6:44 am

Hi
I would guess George is leaving the latest patch there, as its not badly effecting European locos.
Cheers
Jon

JordanstonBoy · Post by **JordanstonBoy** » Mon May 21, 2007 6:37 pm

Probably right Jon, all the German Railroads & Protrain stuff that i run, works fine.

JB.

ronald parkin · Post by **ronald parkin** » Mon May 21, 2007 6:51 pm

Hi Jon & JB, Actually found one that won't work,but I am not bothered at the moment.
http://www.makingtracks-online.co.uk/in ... Itemid=254
it's a dead as a Dodo

This Patch is too good to revert back just for a few Locos.

Regards

Ron P

rosssweet · Post by **rosssweet** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:47 am

Hey Ron,

Had any luck with the Class 89 Badger ? It certainly is dead under patch 1.7.051220.

The Class 87 Olympic bid works fine, tried a 'monkey see monkey do' trial on the .eng but no success at all. try again later, like you cannot go back on the latest patch for a few locos

Regards Ross

JordanstonBoy · Post by **JordanstonBoy** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:00 am

This Patch is too good to revert back just for a few Locos.

Agreed, George is doing a fantastic job. So to quibble over a few problems, seems a bit ungrateful.

JB.

kevarc · Post by **kevarc** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:46 pm

JordanstonBoy wrote:
This Patch is too good to revert back just for a few Locos.
Agreed, George is doing a fantastic job. So to quibble over a few problems, seems a bit ungrateful.

JB.

Ungratefull? We are not. We just want to have things run as real as possible.

ballymoss9018 · Post by **ballymoss9018** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:32 pm

I must admit I'm getting confused as to who is arguing what and why and what reality is!

I think the bottom line is that we need certainty that we can move forward with, whatever the outcome of the debate. I.e. will the physics of 1.7 be the norm or will we be reverting to 1.6 physics. If the answer is 1.7 then there seems to be a programing solution to the .eng file to make it work for diesels and I can't believe there is not a similar solution for steam and electrics- it may not be the same solution.

As I say the sooner we have certainty, one way or the other, the sooner we can move on.

Peter

supergoods · Post by **supergoods** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:15 pm

ballymoss9018 wrote:I must admit I'm getting confused as to who is arguing what and why and what reality is!

If the answer is 1.7 then there seems to be a programing solution to the .eng file to make it work for diesels and I can't believe there is not a similar solution for steam and electrics- it may not be the same solution.

This is the whole point of the controversy, steam (operator fired), steam (AI fired), electric and diesel all have different programming by Kuju.

It has taken 5 years or more of picking away at what they did to get where we are today.

If the physics files demanded by the patch are more basic and toy like, we will have wasted a great deal of research and programming effort.

I fully understand the file management advantages of the .bin patches, but cannot accept that I will be forced to throw all the work that I and others have done to revert to a one size fits all philosophy promoted by the vocal majority.

I repeat, all I would like to see is the option to opt out of the more controversial modifications included in the later versions of the .bin patch.

A great service to obtaining better results would be an explanation of what the program does with the information it receives from an .eng file, this would make file modification much more simple.

This present furor is almost reminiscent of the Trainz/MSTS flame wars of yesteryear.

I fully appreciate the work George is doing for the majority who have no interest in modifying the physics, but to do so in such a way that you are forced to use it to run more recent routes is unacceptable

Ian

ronald parkin · Post by **ronald parkin** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:46 pm

Hi Ian, There is a new patch being tested at the moment that as all the great things from V1.7.0512 in it without affecting the Physics

Watch this space

Regards

Ron P

JordanstonBoy · Post by **JordanstonBoy** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:14 pm

Ungratefull? We are not. We just want to have things run as real as possible.

So do i and having used MSTS since June 2001, i applaud everything that George achieves.

While hoping for great realism, tied to any further upgrades he makes.

JB.