Caledonian Sleeper

nigelgresley · Post by **nigelgresley** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:05 pm

Does anyone have any idea of what formations are used on the Scotrail sleeper trains from Euston. I am working on a set of activities and want to get it fairly accurate.

May Thanks.

jamiebowey87 · Post by **jamiebowey87** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:46 pm

Mark 2 daytime stock with Mk3 sleeper cars hauled usually by an EWS Class 90. In what quantities i couldnt say; but I often see the Scotrail sleeper pass through Berkhamsted on my way to work. Im starting at 7 tommorow morning, so every chance Ill see it. if not I'll drive out and see the 23:55 return tommorow night and take a note of the formation. Would that help?

simont · Post by **simont** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:10 pm

There was a thread on the Real Railway forum discussing it, which got onto formations:

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?t=31547

The main (Fort William/Aberdeen/Inverness) one seems to be, from Euston:

6xSLE, Lounge, BSO, 6xSLE, Lounge, BSO.

Dunno about the Euston/Glasgow one. Similar possibly, although maybe it's shorter.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:07 am

EWS90 TSOMk2 6xSLE lounge 6xSLE FSOMk2 GenVan thats the formation seen at 00:40 at crewe in 2003 When i was on an ovenight spotting trip to stafford

nigelgresley · Post by **nigelgresley** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:46 am

Thanks for your replies. At least that gives me something prototypical to go on! I should imagine that the Glasgow one is a bit shorter because it doesn't go to so many places.

Thanks again,

barrybryce01475 · Post by **barrybryce01475** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:59 am

Was on the Edinburgh - London last night... if only I'd known I'd have counted

But it felt like about four to six Sleeper cars then a lounge that I walked past on the way to the seated carriage

. Edinburgh to Carstairs bit was hauled by a 67.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:12 pm

There are 2 sleepers both the same length the first one is for Fort-William and Glasgow the Second one is Aberdeen and Inverness.

barrybryce01475 · Post by **barrybryce01475** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:32 pm

That must have changed now - definitely one to Edin / Glas and one to Abdn / Inv / Fort W as per the other thread.

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:44 pm

Wow, that's an old face, Will Cook, thought you'd left the scene!

Anyway, I love the Sleeper activities so please do get some done

nigelgresley · Post by **nigelgresley** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:23 pm

Well I did leave the scene for a while, but have been attracted back by some of the great routes and add-on which have appeared in my absence! There are a couple of other things above the sleeper activities, but they will be done fairly soon.

One other thing....can anyone help me with traffic patterns for the outward leg of the sleeper services, and for that matter the inbound as I am having a little difficulty working out what traffic (except passengers I can do that from public timetables) is around at that time of day - especially since I an an East Coast rather than West Coast man.

bsbnns · Post by **bsbnns** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:09 pm

Hi all,
The sleeper formations are:
Fort Willam-Edinburgh 2xMK2 , 2xMK3
Inverness-Edinburgh 2xMK2 , 6xMK3
Aberdeen-Edinburgh 2xMK2 , 4xMK3
Edinburgh-Euston:(The Lowlander)
Made up of Fort William to Edinburgh, Inverness-Edinburgh, Aberdeen to Edinburgh and Edinburgh(2xMK2 4xMK3) Portions.
These then join Glasgow portion of the sleeper at Carstairs which is made up of 2xMK2 and 4xMK3 and onto Euston.
Hope This helps
Cheers!
MK

simont · Post by **simont** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:36 pm

Isn't that 30 coaches? Even taking into account the 2 Fort William Mk2 coaches added (down) and removed (up) at Edinburgh, that's a pretty long train...

As I understand it, the Glasgow/Edinburgh one is a separate service, leaving Euston later. The other one stops at Edinburgh to pick up (down) and set down (up) only, and also to join/split its sections.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:56 pm

there are 2 trains the fortwilliam one splits at mossend the aberdeen one splits at edinburgh.

bsbnns · Post by **bsbnns** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:01 pm

No Fort William goes to Edinburgh and its all one train

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:48 pm

bsbnns wrote:No Fort William goes to Edinburgh and its all one train

Nope definitley 2 trains 1S06 and 1S07 20:55 and 21:55 from euston passes through stafford 00:01 and 00:58 first one stops at crewe whilst the second thunders through