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Post by **king125** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:40 pm

In this activity i got as far as picking up the coal train,then when i get to
Inverkeithing platform just as im getting level with the rear of the train on the other platform,thats where it freezes up, i have even tried with all the sliders to left but makes no difference.
Up till that point all went ok and a well thought out activity it was good sitting at the 1st red watching the trains pass well done,just hope i get to complete it.
Terry

Iluka · Post by **Iluka** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:51 pm

Hi Terry

Were you in the Cab(1) or in an external view (2) or (3) when your freeze occurred and what was your frame rate when it froze (Ctrl Z )

I never had this problem at all and I agree with you it is an excellent Activity (and it gets better as you get to the end!!).

Kindest Regards

Mike

Post by **king125** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:01 pm

Hi Mike, i was sat in the Cab (view1) and the frame rate with the sliders where i normaly have them was 17fps
when i changed the sliders the all the way to the left the frame rate was 36fps
Terry

spikeyorks · Post by **spikeyorks** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:14 pm

Hi Terry.

Glad you liked the Activity...well as far as you have got anyway !!! I too often get "freezes" on this route although usually they clear just by restarting the sim from a Save. Can't remember ever getting a freeze at this particular point of the activity.

Are you sure that the "freeze" is location based...ie Have you checked to see whether it always occurs at the same time or at different times ? Out of curiousity what time do you get to Inverkeithing on your return run ? You could try running from the sidings 30 seconds later, saving when you are entering the station and then restarting from the save. A guess but sometimes these things work.

The only other suggestion is to double check that you aren't rolling back when you stop to let the pilot off at the footbridge. There is a shunting signal behind your train and if you roll back you will trip this. However the error message should tell you this though.

Let me know how you get on. Equally if anyone else completes the Activity successfully can you post here as it helps to know if a problem if widespread to all or specific to one. Thanks.

Post by **king125** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:35 pm

Thanx David for the advice, i will try and run the activity again tommorow as got to out now and got work tonight, wil let you no how i get on
Terry

37413 · Post by **37413** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:55 pm

I picked up the coal wagons and when I got permission to leave I was in the outside view, and instead of getting the road off to the left towards Inverkeithing station the activity ended when I went into the headshunt and through the buffers. David can you send me your E-mail address as I have an interesting picture to send to you.

Alan.

fergie · Post by **fergie** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:09 pm

I also got the activity freezing halfway along Inverkeithing platfrom. I had saved just before leaving the siding and rerun using the save and got the same result.

spikeyorks · Post by **spikeyorks** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:30 am

Interesting comments gents as it would suggest that you're having similar problems. Albeit Alan didn't make it as far as Inverkeithing !!!

In Alan's case you must go into the headshunt and trip a Reverse Point BEFORE you then set back into the yard to collect your wagons. Once you have coupled to your wagons it is a good idea to push them back a few feet before then pulling forwards. The shunting signal at the exit from the sidings will stay at RED protecting the DMU that went past you earlier from Rosyth.

With regards to the "crashes" along Inverkeithing platform then I am still interested to know whether or not they are time related. There has been an issue with the NPV wagons and unless you download the newest version this can cause collisions between AI services. These however would always occur at the same time hence the question. The other request I would have would be if someone could watch the player train from the rear (3 view) and see whether this comes into collision with anything else as you move over the crossover.

When I've finished mucking about in the snow at Thaxted I'll rerun the activity and try out a few scenarios.

spikeyorks · Post by **spikeyorks** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:00 am

Alan has sent me an interesting screenshot that may be helpful in finding out what the issue is here.

Click the image to zoom in

Basically there shouldn't be two AI services (CL26 Mk1's & DMU) running on the same line one after the other. The CL26 must be allowed to pass you BEFORE you exit the chord at Inverkeithing triangle. Are you guys tripping the reverse point on the chord and getting the road before the CL26 get's there (ie you are running slightly early ?) You need to wait on the chord until the CL26 passes like this

Click the image to zoom in

The easiest fix for this is to leave Inverkeithing station slightly later (say 11.28.30) and watch out for the reverse point ensuring that you DON'T TRIP IT until the CL26 has passed.

If you see the two AI services like in Alan's screenshot then what happens is that the second AI train catches up with the first, collides and causes a "freeze". Maybe this is what's happening in your cases.

Please let me know how you get on.

Good luck.

sddsddean · Post by **sddsddean** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:12 pm

Well I did it with no problems at all, except for MSTS crashing as I came off the chord at Inverkeithing. I'd saved just before, so restarted it and did the rest no problem. Spot on time at Dalmeny on the way back and even got to the freight crossover near Murrayfield 1.30 ahead. Good activity.

Simon

37413 · Post by **37413** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:53 pm

Well I did it with no problems at all, except for MSTS crashing as I came off the chord at Inverkeithing. I'd saved just before, so restarted it and did the rest no problem. Spot on time at Dalmeny on the way back and even got to the freight crossover near Murrayfield 1.30 ahead. Good activity.

I find this incredible as I have tried this activity twice and ended in the head shunt at Inverkeithing yard. Have sent David an E-mail with three additional pictures which he can publish if he wishes.

Alan.

spikeyorks · Post by **spikeyorks** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:28 pm

What's actually even more interesting is for my last activity "Portion Control" it was Simon that couldn't get it to work whereas Alan reported back that it worked perfectly well. Just goes to show that msts Activities are not consistent on different PC's.

The only other thing to check is whether any stock substitutions have been made by any of you guys. This is a very busy activity and if you have changed even one item then it is possible that you put the whole thing out of kilter.

More feedback please !!!

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:08 am

Just run this activity without problems.

Good activity with lots of AI.

A couple of realism points.

Class45 and 46 were rare north of Edinburgh.

Single cab locos were double manned and require a brake van for the guard to travel in even when fully fitted.

Post by **king125** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:33 am

Just tried this activity again. and it froze again at Inverkeithing the time on the clock when it froze was 14:43:13 so not sure what im doing wrong
Terry

37413 · Post by **37413** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:45 am

Same problem here Activity froze in Inverkeithing station. Terry it seems to be a problem for lots of people

Alan.