Reverse points

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:36 pm

I am having a problem with reverse points when I try to create an activity. It dose not matter where I start from, whenever I put a second reverse point in and test the activity msts crashes. This only happens when creating activites on the Cannock Chase route, but I do not think that it is the route at fault because the activities that Don Hinton put with the route often have more than one reverse point. Any Ideas?
Thanks, Jim

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:24 pm

Make sure that the path does not form a circle. That's a huge no-no as far as MSTS is concerned. You may to use a different track though.

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:16 pm

The are no circles in the activities and I was careful to put reverse points far enough away from points not to cause a problem. I have just finished an activity for the Cannock Chase route with only one reverse point on it, may be uploading it soon, I'll see what Don Hinton thinks of it first. I just don't want to be stuck to just one reverse point when making activites.
Cheers, Jim

kevarc · Post by **kevarc** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:52 am

You can do loops. The route I am working on has them and if you are very crarefull you can do it.

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:57 am

Loops are not the problem. It is reverse points that are causing MSTS to crash. It dose not matter where I start the activity and where I end it, whenever there is a second reverse ( this can be miles from the first) MSTS crashes. I am really confused on this this one. I have just uploaded an activity for the cannock chase route called sutton to stafford if you are interested.
Cheers, Jim

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:30 pm

Hmmm... Although I've not read the thread here, Kevin posted a fix for something in the AE that seemed to work for a few problems. Perhaps you should have a look at the thread that Kev linked in this post:

http://forums.atomic-systems.com/viewtopic.php?t=23359

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:37 pm

Unfortunately I have already tried that! I put a question in that thread asking where the info was, then read what Kevin had written afterwards and followed the instructions silly me for not reading the thread properly at first! As you can guess it hasn't cured the problem. I have spoken extensively to Don Hinton who wrote the route about it and together we can not work out what is going on. I am going to send him a copy of an activity with two reverse points in for him to try on his pc to see if it works ok.
Cheers, jim

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:40 pm

Is it just that route that you're having problems with? Or does it do it with all routes?

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:28 pm

It is only Cannock Chase route that is giving me problems.Saying that I have not put any other routes on yet, but I did make an activity for the Settle route with about 25 reverse points on it without any problems.
Jim

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 8:26 pm

Just an update: I sent Don Hinton an activity with more than two reverse points that caused my machine to crash, and the same thing happend on his pc. I think that all activities that I am planning to write for Cannock Chase route will have to be written with only one reverse point unless I can put more in like Don did and get away with it
Cheers, Jim

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:50 pm

That's very strange. But then I've seen some activities for CC with more than one reverse... The beer pickup one for starters...

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:18 pm

Tell me about it! If it is my pc that is causing the problem, and I have sent Don a copy of an activity, and the same crash happens on his pc, dose that mean that I have a virus of sorts and have past it on to him?, or have I just been very unlucky in choosing my start point and reverse point positions? This has become just way to confusing for me! I think large quantites of beer are needed!
Cheers Jim

tinsley · Post by **tinsley** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:35 pm

Make sure that the start and end points are NOT touching buffers.. etc at start and finish. Leave a gap of a few feet (to scale). It is known to create problems with signals...it might just help and takes just seconds to do as you don't have to redo the path...just save correctly.

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:17 pm

Believe me I have made sure that I have not made any silly mistakes.I have now written 6 activities for CC3 and as long as only on reverse point is in the route, all is fine. 2 or more reverses and MSTS crashes.
I feel like putting this activity in the downloads for people to try to see if it is my pc or the route
Thanks for your continuing help guys, Jim

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:06 pm

I have just found that if I do not make an activity run through Walsall and the Norton to Hednesford branch I can use more than 1 reverse point. Do you think that maybe because Don's route is not a start to finish route that MSTS thinks I am making a loop even though I am not? I have just finished an activity from Tettenshall to Stafford and back with 3 reverse points and it works ok. Maybe we are slowly getting to the bottom of this.
Cheers, Jim

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