40145 Large Logo Blue re-reskin

[LeeEAS]

Hi,

Another project I've been doing for a while is a re-reskin of jbilton's 40145, so that it doesn't use photo-real textures. The reskin does not use any of the textures he supplied with his version, however I did use his textures as a guide for the outlines. The reskin makes use of modified versions of Steve Enefer's "Whistler Pack" for the Grills, roof and bogies, so I need to ask permission from him, before I cannot post a screenshot. The rest of the textures were done by me; mainly the nose and nameplate.

[LeeEAS]

Awaiting Steve's reply, is there a faster way to get a reply or do I have to sit tight?

[Easilyconfused]

I have been watching this thread for a while now. It is not really in the spirit of the permissions process at http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 68&t=58336 In particular some bits of that process

A few authors don't mind what you do with their work as long as you give them credit for the original model. Others have more restrictive conditions varying in requirements. Some authors do not give any permission to modify their work at all. Commercial producers will almost certainly have a repaint policy and procedure. It is your responsibility to check before you start work to avoid wasting your time and effort. It is no good complaining afterwards - nobody is really going to give you any sympathy.

So prior to commencing any work that is going to made public you should seek permission. Please take note of the last paragraph in the screenshots thread in the UKTS Forum rules forum. Showing WIP screenshots without permission is not acceptable.

So how should I request permission ?

Well, first off don't post anything on the UKTS forums unless that is what the readme.txt file says to do ! Take a good look at the readme.txt and see what it says. If it says send a PM (private message) on the forums then do that. If it says email - well send an email then. If the file was downloaded from UKTS and does not contain advice of repaint requirements then either drop the author a PM or email the moderator team for advice (hopefully this should be a rare occurrence).

What if I don't get a response or the email bounces ?

No response means : No permission is granted. You can not assume no response means no problem. If the email bounces then consider the fact that people do abandon email addresses for various reasons. You could try alternative means such as a forum post asking if anyone has contact details for the person you are seeking but don't go into details as to what you are repainting since that will generate questions about release dates (see next point).

Publicly pressuring someone to respond is not particularly polite.

[LeeEAS]

I was just asking if he has a email address or if there is another way to get hold of him considering he hasn't been online for a while...

[carlwestwood]

I always thought you were supposed to ask for permission before ya did the reskin and/or announced it anyway....

[LeeEAS]

I always thought you were supposed to ask for permission before ya did the reskin and/or announced it anyway....

Na, I don't like asking permission only to find that I don't like the finished version. If I'm successful then I'll ask, and if I get denied permission I can still keep it for personal use.

[LeeEAS]

Very much thanks to Steve for giving the go ahead to upload;

Here is the screenshot, which I've been anxiously waiting to post...

[desiro5]

Looks ok, but I think I prefer Jons.

[LeeEAS]

I personally didn't like his version, no offense to Jon here, but IMO the use of all-over photo-real textures did not look right on a well maintained loco. I also felt the textures were poor quality due to some parts being stretched; the main headlight for example. Not to say that Jons reskins are bad, certainly not, I've practically downloaded all of them, but I just feel that a better job was done to his version of 40145 in standard BR Blue.

Alls parts on my version have been done to the best detail I could include. If you take the main headlight for example, it is the Real McCoy as it was taken from a photo I have of 40145, same with the texture on the buffers and plaque below the cab windows.

Of course, it's your choice what you like better...

If you feel anything that you want editing then tell me and I'll look into it for a future updated version

One thing you'll notice that 40145 no longer has the plaque above the nameplate because it was subsequently removed some time after it's renaming...

I am also working on "The East Anglian" headboard as was worn by 40145 for the railtour that went to Lowestoft this year in April, and I'm hoping to release it with an Activity I will be working on shortly.

[rwaceyw]

Looking good but i'm afraid I prefer Jon's - always a fan of photoreal textures - no real lighting variations on 'edited' ones

Dave

[LeeEAS]

no real lighting variations on 'edited' ones

Care to explain? I'm assuming you mean stuff like shadows? Oh and btw, you could say "computer generated" ones

Here's the screenie put beside the photo I attempted to recreate...

[gswindale]

There's something funny about your British Rail logo - it appears to have a white square in the middle of an off-white logo which doesn't appear on the photo (or is it my eyes??)

[LeeEAS]

There's something funny about your British Rail logo - it appears to have a white square in the middle of an off-white logo which doesn't appear on the photo (or is it my eyes??)

Many have mentioned this to me before ; the model has a "patch" on the bodyside, this is also present in Jon's model, I was told there was no way to remove it so I've had to work around it. It's really annoying...

[rwaceyw]

Care to explain? I'm assuming you mean stuff like shadows?

Yep. 'Computer generated' textures look very 'flat' compared to the real thing - your own photo shows it - the light has an astounding effect on the bodyside. Unfortunately MSTS doesn't render these and textures IMO look a bit lacking without

A few variations of shade to represent this would go down wonders...or a bit of photoreal...or leave it as it is You're the reskinner

Dave

[LeeEAS]

Well I have to say completley the opposite - I always felt photo-real bodysides looked flat, the bodyside appears curved in my version because there appears to be gradient in the colour of the blue, although I did not add any gradient. Lighting is not really that important to train simming in MSTS to me, also it could be raining so the model doesn't really need shadows incorporated into the textures...

As I said, some of the more detailed parts have photo-real textures, but other than that I don't think it looks right with photo-real textures considering 40145 is kept in such pristine condition. The only time I think it's needed is when the loco being modelled is in a poor condition, this is a perfect example: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info. ... leid=11454