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harveype · Post by **harveype** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:09 am

Hi

This b12 is it designed by S.D.Holden for the GER.

Just I have a pretty good drawing of a B12.

Peter

eddief · Post by **eddief** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:05 am

IS that the Grsley version (B12/3) or the GER original version? I have a drawing of the S. D. Holden but not Gresley

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:00 pm

rwaceyw wrote:Barry,
The Jones Goods has outside cylinders.
Michael,

Ah well - I was working from memory - and that one always lived at the other end of the country. But the basic point is still valid - I don't think the NNR B12 is the only inside 4-6-0 still about...

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:07 pm

The S69 (B12) came in three flavours:
B12/1 - first batch as built at Stratford, 1911-17 and the second batch built by Wm Beardmore, 1920-21; Belpaire firebox.
B12/2 - final batch, built by Beyer-Peacock in 1928 with Lentz rotary valve gear, and cutaway splashers; Belpaire firebox.
B12/3 - as reboilered by Gresley from 1932 on, with round topped firebox and long-travel piston valves.

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:14 pm

thenudehamster wrote:
rwaceyw wrote:Barry,
The Jones Goods has outside cylinders.
Michael,
Ah well - I was working from memory - and that one always lived at the other end of the country. But the basic point is still valid - I don't think the NNR B12 is the only inside 4-6-0 still about...

Tis Barry, all the other inside cylinder ones were scrapped along time ago, that is unless your including foreign locos.....

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:20 pm

Yep i'm pretty sure its the only inside cylinder 4-6-0 in Britain, but not sure on the world.

61572 ( The survivor ) is a B12/3 for all those who want to know

David

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:19 pm

I bow to superior knowledge

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:07 am

So is anyone going to make the B12 loco?

eddief · Post by **eddief** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:23 pm

JonathonAG wrote:So is anyone going to make the B12 loco?

If you look at the bottom of page 1 Jonathon you will find this message...

eddief wrote:
fadedGlory wrote:B12 is on my list, but my list is long and time is short!
Snap. I have the drawings for the original GER B12 but not the Gresley rebuilds so I could tackle it in simillar fashion to the Claughtons (do 1 version then update to match the rebuilt) if I build it, not going to say if anmd when I'll build it as FG could be in a position to build it first . Sure it'll be worth the wait from either of us.

Both me and FadedGlory want to build it but we both seem to be lacking the time (and in my case not sure about FG's the drawings for the B12/3) plus I've already chosen my next project so I'm going to tackle them (there is more then 1 item in it

) then I might look at a B12. If you happen to have any drawings or photos (though drawings are better) then please say so, it'll be a big help to anyone wanting 1

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:13 pm

eddie,
If and when you get around to a B12, I for one will be eternally grateful - and more so if you go your v1 and upgrades route. I love GER Royal Blue as a livery, and the round-top rebuilds only ever came in apple green or BR black....

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:16 pm

I would love to have the same B12 as the one that runs on the NNR, in either apple green or B.R livery. I would be extremely grateful

fadedGlory · Post by **fadedGlory** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:39 pm

I may build one if I get hold of the drawings. I should be able to re-use a number of components from the Claud since they basically were larger versions with an extra pair of driving wheels. The tenders were also very similar, I believe.

If I do one it would a B12/1, the version with the Belpaire (square) firebox) and full valances. It should sit nicely next to the Claud!

<IMG width="597" height="207" SRC="http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php/42679/B12.jpg">

fG

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:44 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of the one that runs on the NNR, but still, worth having a go

eddief · Post by **eddief** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:08 pm

fadedGlory wrote:If I do one it would a B12/1, the version with the Belpaire (square) firebox) and full valances. It should sit nicely next to the Claud!

I have the drawings for the B12/1 if you want them. rwaceyw sent them to me a while back. No point me hogging them if your going to be in a position to start the project before me

eddief · Post by **eddief** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:13 pm

thenudehamster wrote:If and when you get around to a B12, I for one will be eternally grateful - and more so if you go your v1 and upgrades route. I love GER Royal Blue as a livery, and the round-top rebuilds only ever came in apple green or BR black....

For a loco like this the "V1 original, then rebuild into B12/3 and V2 of the original" approach seems logical, I know from the Claughton if I had the drawings for the large boiler and caprotti I would still not touch it, as enjoyable as the project was I'm a bit sick of having them in TrainSim Modeller I want to have them running on the WCML for a while (go away and do at least 1 other project as a break from them and then go back, already had a few comments on the Claughton so a V2 is needed).

I would definantly want to do the B12/1 and B12/3, the B12/2 could be done depending on how complex the additions are too make. But as said in the post above I will not stand in FG's way if he is in a position to do them first