BR / North British class 21

[micksasse]

Hi all.

I've just uploaded the first of these (D6151 - waiting for approval as we speak). It has the dubious distinction of being my first loco' model for MSTS, so I'd be grateful for feedback.

It will be followed by at least one other version, plus green and blue class 29s. There will be activities for them on the West Highland line, and probably also on Mid East UK (they were used on King's Cross suburban services when new).

Sorry about the high poly count - it hasn't caused me any problems, but I hope it doesn't for you either.

Hope you enjoy it and its cylinder-heads don't crack before you reach Banavie!

Cheers



PS Hurrah, already approved and available for download - thanks Matt

[ca55ie]

can you post a screenie?

[Zackybong1]

Thanks Mick. I'm really hoping that your next is a Class 21 in original condition. These can quite happily run Noth of the border or out of Kings Cross or anywhere on the anglia region, as they were stabled at Hornsey, Stratford, Colchester and Ipswich.

Heres a great old shot at Ipswich in about, what, 1959?

Click the image to zoom in




I'm going to be making a batch of activities for Mideast Circa 1960-64-ish.

I wonder if the maker of the Class 23 has had anymore thoughts of doing clear windows yet?

[rwaceyw]

And you say thats your first model!? You've got talent!

David

[micksasse]

And you say thats your first model!? You've got talent!

David

Well, I did get help from the best. Still, nice of you to say so, sir!

I'm really hoping that your next is a Class 21 in original condition. These can quite happily run Noth of the border or out of Kings Cross or anywhere on the anglia region, as they were stabled at Hornsey, Stratford, Colchester and Ipswich.

Yes, that's my intention - with a KX suburban activity for Mid East UK, I think. Nice pic (recognise it from somewhere actually - must be in some book I illicitly scanned from somewhere while researching this, I think). Might do D6100 itself in ex-works nick (green ends, red circle controls, class 2 headcode discs and not too much clag...). Will also do a more knackered version. Agree about the baby Deltic too btw.

[jimmyladd]

Hi Mick!
I have just downloaded your class 21 and I think it is great! Just a few points though, D6138 to D6157 were delivered new to Scotland and they had a diferent style of side window (sliding instead of drop-light). Also they were fitted with a recess for an automatic tablet catcher. Although the engines built for Eastern region were transfered to scotland most did not receive ploughs.The only class 21 you can paint blue was D6109 which had a small yellow warning panel. Of the class 29's D6123 retained the look of the class 21's, but was painted two tone green. Blue class 29's were D6100/7/8/19/24/29/37. I think that D6108 ran for a while in two tone green with full yellow panel and BR arrows but I am not sure about that one. D6127 was stored in 1962 after a major fire and never ran again. It also never got a yellow panel. If you would like some drawings of the cab differences for the 21/29's I would be happy to send them to you.
Happy Modeling,
Jim

[micksasse]

Hi Mick!
I have just downloaded your class 21 and I think it is great! Just a few points though, D6138 to D6157 were delivered new to Scotland and they had a diferent style of side window (sliding instead of drop-light). Also they were fitted with a recess for an automatic tablet catcher. Although the engines built for Eastern region were transfered to scotland most did not receive ploughs.The only class 21 you can paint blue was D6109 which had a small yellow warning panel. Of the class 29's D6123 retained the look of the class 21's, but was painted two tone green. Blue class 29's were D6100/7/8/19/24/29/37. I think that D6108 ran for a while in two tone green with full yellow panel and BR arrows but I am not sure about that one. D6127 was stored in 1962 after a major fire and never ran again. It also never got a yellow panel. If you would like some drawings of the cab differences for the 21/29's I would be happy to send them to you.
Happy Modeling,
Jim

By 'eck, and there was me expecting 3 downloads and "A class what?"...!

Am well impressed with your knowledge, Jim - are you perhaps a closet NBL man?

Well, looks like there'll be a version 1.1 then, doesn't it! My pic of D6151 on shed somewhere (don't know where but presumably in Scotland) is front-on, so didn't know about the side-windows and tablet-catchers - shouldn't be too difficult to add to D6151 (though think I'll get an activity up first - it's a download-count vanity thing, I guess ) Would you have any pictures, perhaps?

Never thought of a blue '21 - assumed they'd all died off by then. 2-tone green's also a new one on me - might look quite nice - again, any pic's?

Cheers Jim - I've also sent you a p-m

[rufiky4]

Very impressive Mick, sounds are excellent as is the model. Very good clag effects too! Anything else planned, ooh, I dunno, a Deltic or Peak perhaps?

Chris

[micksasse]

Thanks a lot, Chris - wish the sounds were by me!

Don't know yet about next project - see the thread on this forum about Metrovick Co-Bo's: as you'll see, I'm kinda wanting to go for more obscure stuff, partly because the other stuff's mostly been done better than I could do it, and partly because if model stuff hardly anyone's ever seen in the flesh, then they might think I've actually done a half-decent job modelling it!!!

No, sorry, with people like Mark Shipman and Paul Mitchell around, I wouldn't dare do a Deltic or Peak...

[ianmacmillan]

Stick to the NBL.

I'd like to see an 06. Don't use the Hornby toy tho.

[jimmyladd]

Yeah good idea, only a class 06 is a Barclays product, not NBL. What would be nice is a NBL 200bhp 0-4-0 or 225bhp 0-4-0.(sorry mick, I have no info on these!)
Cheers, Jim

[micksasse]

Yeah good idea, only a class 06 is a Barclays product, not NBL. What would be nice is a NBL 200bhp 0-4-0 or 225bhp 0-4-0.(sorry mick, I have no info on these!)
Cheers, Jim

Now that, sir, is what I call obscure !!! Class 15/16 is an interesting concept - will contemplate it for a while, whilst I'm improving the type 2s...

[Zackybong1]

The class 16 was an NBL/Paxman 800 hp loco. The class 15 was a Clayton/BTH/Paxman/Yorkshire Eng Co 800 hp loco.

I've got a great picture of a class 21 in two tone green. Unfortunately it is too big to get on my scanner.

Also, the original class 29 (D6123) had the two greens separated by a black strip along the middle of the body. The rest had the colours separated by an off white band.

[jbilton]

The class 16 was an NBL/Paxman 800 hp loco. The class 15 was a Clayton/BTH/Paxman/Yorkshire Eng Co 800 hp loco.

I've got a great picture of a class 21 in two tone green. Unfortunately it is too big to get on my scanner.

Also, the original class 29 (D6123) had the two greens separated by a black strip along the middle of the body. The rest had the colours separated by an off white band.

Hi
Slight correction
The class 15 was the British Thompson Houston BTH version 800Hp(single Paxman 16cyl) .....later used as carridge heating units....the only one left currently at Crewe Heritage...someone was doing one and it looked great...but has been lost
The Class 16 was the NBL and looked similar and used the same Paxman engine...but boiled over easily.(Jason Clarke is doing the "Hawk" which could be modified to a Class 16)
The class 17 was the 900Hp (2x450Hp 6cyl Paxmans) Clayton (know to drivers as the Bar Steward...due to its bar stool type seating arrangement) ....and they are available for download.
All a bit confusing.....and none very sucessfull
Which is a shame as I love Paxman engines.

[ianmacmillan]

My memory of the nine hundreds (cl 17) was the egg box in the dancehall...sorry cab.

It was a collection of warning lights under a cover...most of them lit up usually.

The problem was that it had engines designed for a torpedo boat. They needed an ocean to cool them.