Atomic Systems

Ok, I'll do the question first. this will probably be one of the strangest questions you model builders will find.

I am currently working on a modernized version of the Dean Goods class of engine (yeah, I didn't know they existed until I turned one up) When GWR modernized these things, calling them the 2251 class (noticable similarities but even more noticable differences) they kept the original tenders. Now, I don't mind building it, but I wondered if there would be another way.

I would like to know if it would be OK for me to only upload the engine, minus the tender. In the readme, I'd like to include instructions pointing to the Dean Goods engine, instructing modelers to download it and use the tender.

If it's not ok, I'll just get to building the tender.

Engine wise, I'm adding handrails and will begin texturing later this week. Maybe late next week. Polycount is a bit on the high end at 4000 polys currently, but I may be shaving several off later with some deletions and rebuilds. Still, I plan to release several GWR locos in the next few weeks, including an ex dean goods (converted to tank engine), and the french 4-4-2 loco that GWR purchased.

There was discussion some time ago about a project for a suite of standard GWR tenders so that loco builders would not have to keep remaking the same models but in reality it seems that each loco s file works better with it's own tender s file, as the fall plate distance is very hard to get right using a set of 'standard' tenders.

The 2251 class has been built by Tim Booth in both GWR green and BR black.

But a curved framed Bulldog, now that would be nice

68xx Grange would be nice,but no info on drawings sorry.

IKB.

You're more than welcome to use the tender - the Aberdare comes with the same tender and a slightly altered texture.

The main argument against was down to modelling tastes really. Different modellers add different amounts of detail and to them, someone elses tender would look wrong - though I'm sure no one else would notice. Modellers are their own worst critics (and also the "not built here" syndrome kicks in)

- it should be easy enough to build a loco to match the tender, as long as you get the colour and style of the textures the same or it will look out of place.

As Martin said, the 2251 has been done, and the SVR has one too, but don't let this stop you.

As for others, the 15xx is being built (twice too) and I have a couple of small older GWR locos in the works.

The 4-4-2 DeGlehn is a bit of a problem as MSTS can't cope with different sized non-driving wheels

The good news - Any GWR plans you want, just e-mail me and I'll scan them - I agree with IKB, a 68xx would be fun

Norman Walker did a 68XX, Eastbury Grange, on US Train Sim last December, I downloaded but so far its been back in line for installing so I can't comment on quality.

A Dean Goods in BR Black would be nice.

To clarify a little confusion here, the 2251's were new locomotives designed as an updated version for similar duties not rebuilds of the original Dean Goods.

supergoods wrote:A Dean Goods in BR Black would be nice.

The current Dean goods "pack" contains a black WD version - It really wouldn't be difficult to do a BR repaint of that one - I will supply original textures if anyone needs them.

Of course there's always the Armstrong Goods too - earlier than the Dean, very similar shape. Outside frames like the Aberdare.

I already finished the thing, though sadly I won't be uploading it. In the end, I used the engine to flesh out some problems I'd been having with Gmax. The more I look, it seems people want that Modified Hall class. As for the others I can dig up the diagrams ran into a site with some really nice ones.

there's a few of the GWR engines that used the same tenders it seems, looking at my diagrams I see that the following ones had very similar (if not the same tenders)
Bulldog Class, 2251, and the De Ghen Class.

Funny thing on the De Ghen, the diagram I have shows it with the drivers being the same size. Rather curious link action though . I'm going to download some more diagrams, see what I can dig up. I've also noticed that GWR used some...strange looking engines. Namely the "Kruger" class. I'm not going to even /ask/.

saddletank wrote:There was discussion some time ago about a project for a suite of standard GWR tenders so that loco builders would not have to keep remaking the same models but in reality it seems that each loco s file works better with it's own tender s file, as the fall plate distance is very hard to get right using a set of 'standard' tenders.

The 2251 class has been built by Tim Booth in both GWR green and BR black.

But a curved framed Bulldog, now that would be nice

The fact is that although there were indeed standard tender designs on the GWR not all engines (particlularly early designs) have a standard cab floor height. This means even a 'standard' 3500 tender could have a different floor height to match a loco class. It therefore follows that not all 3500 gallon tenders could be attached to any class of loco. Although of course they could be altered in the works.

The later Hawksworth flat sided tender also came in two sizes one to match the 4-6-0 county and a narrower version to match the Castle and some other classes that later used this style of 4000 gallon tender.

And there is me thinking you would be happy with the Bulldog class that I did . Strictly speaking there wasn't specifically any Bulldog class curved framed locos apart from the very first experimental loco 3312 it was a Hienz variety of a loco in that it had Duke frames (hence the curved frame) and a standard No2 boiler. The cab and many other features were distinctly different from all the later true Bulldogs.

There was the Badminton Class of 4-4-0s (very nice locos indeed) that had curved frames and were basically a sub-class of the flowers (41xx) in later years with 6' 8" driving wheels. They always kept thier curved frames up to scraping in the early 30s.

starlighter wrote:Ok, I'll do the question first. this will probably be one of the strangest questions you model builders will find.

I am currently working on a modernized version of the Dean Goods class of engine (yeah, I didn't know they existed until I turned one up) When GWR modernized these things, calling them the 2251 class (noticable similarities but even more noticable differences) they kept the original tenders. Now, I don't mind building it, but I wondered if there would be another way.

I would like to know if it would be OK for me to only upload the engine, minus the tender. In the readme, I'd like to include instructions pointing to the Dean Goods engine, instructing modelers to download it and use the tender.


If it's not ok, I'll just get to building the tender.

Engine wise, I'm adding handrails and will begin texturing later this week. Maybe late next week. Polycount is a bit on the high end at 4000 polys currently, but I may be shaving several off later with some deletions and rebuilds. Still, I plan to release several GWR locos in the next few weeks, including an ex dean goods (converted to tank engine), and the french 4-4-2 loco that GWR purchased.

There are similarities in the 2251 and the Dean goods but your note suggests to me that they were built from old dean goods locos. This is not so as far as I know. even the frames were different. The Dean goods rattled on well into the 1950s. One of the main reasons for this was that the Dean was lighter than the 2251 and crucially was route 'unclassified' whilst the 2251 was yellow route and up. Therefore some areas particularly in Wales could not be travelled by the 2251.

starlighter wrote: Funny thing on the De Ghen, the diagram I have shows it with the drivers being the same size.

The De Glehn non-driving wheels are different sizes - MSTS only has a parameter for one size.
I have several plans of various versions.
Also the Kruger plans....

Strictly speaking there wasn't specifically any Bulldog class curved framed locos - Duke frames

Dukedogs and yes please one of those would be nice.

IKB.

Sorry Robin, I wasn't criticising your Bird class I sort of panicked when someone offered to build a curved-framed 4-4-0 as I have heard this offer more than once before but each time it came to naught.... so excitement set in and I got my bulldogs, dukes and flowers mixed up.

Of course an MSTS 2-4-0 Barnum would also have me skipping about with glee too.

isambardkingdombrunel wrote:

Strictly speaking there wasn't specifically any Bulldog class curved framed locos - Duke frames

Dukedogs and yes please one of those would be nice.

IKB.

Funny locos the Dukedogs look ancient but were a product of the 1930's. No curved frames though. They were a hybrid but the other way around Duke Boiler, Bulldog frames. Not particularly liked by crews apparently.

But liked by me. I love those humongous domes they had, seriously out of proportion with the rest of the engine. A doubleheaded train looks like Dolly Parton coming to get you!

I`ll get my coat.

IKB.