EMU's funny textures (Gary Cox, Dave Roles)

[thecaretaker]

I've noticed that the last batch of uploads of EMUs based on 421 sounds and cab view seem to have funny rough mottled textures.

I hope you can see what I mean in these 2 shots. The first is from a later 415 and the lower picture is a 414. (I've tried to get the same close-up shot)




The later looks much smoother. Is this an error when saving the images or by design by the repainter Gary Cox & Dave Roles?

Sorry to be so picky

Edit typo DMU to EMU

[coxy64]

First sorry to be picky, but the models are EMU's, to start with.
Next why dont you count the number of rivets and bolts why you are there, in case we missed one or two!

The texture is actually off a photo of a real train, and takes alot longer to apply than simply just flood filling.

We try to make things as real as possible and also try to advance things it's called progress.

Next time you go out "Look at the paint finish on a real Train, to see if it is all one colour" I don't think so!.

I myself and many of the model builders, painters and other people who provide you with free, new models and activities to run on your Simulator do so in our own time as a hobby, after completing a Days Work.

Yes I can take structured criticism,when it is directed in the right form and any details people can supply me with are very much appriciated, but this just makes me think "Is it all worth it" (Answer) No I don't think so anymore.

I myself, am able to produce things such as repaints and sound sets for MSTS.
I choose to share these with other people as I am an unselfish person.

When you read something as stupid as this it makes me think, Gary why don't you just supply the people you know who will appreciate it via other means such as E-Mail!

Have you heard the saying about "killing the Golden Goose that laid the Golden Egg".

After this I don't think I will be giving anymore of my time to creating things to share here.

Sorry to all those people who have supported me in the past
and who have helped me with various projects, you know who you are.

Gary......................P**** O**

[40058]

I've noticed that the last batch of uploads of DMUs based on 421 sounds and cab view seem to have funny rough mottled textures.

I hope you can see what I mean in these 2 shots. The first is from a later 415 and the lower picture is a 414. (I've tried to get the same close-up shot)




The later looks much smoother. Is this an error when saving the images or by design by the repainter Gary Cox & Dave Roles?

Sorry to be so picky

Well "thecaretaker" I hope your proud of yourself Isn't it bad enough that we are already losing top modellers/repainters like Mark Shipman, basildd etc now Gary Cox all because of a picky pr*t like you !!!
If yer don't like something don't download it and if yer can't model for toffee don't critisise and above all DON'T F**K IT UP FOR THE REST OF US

40058

[streeter]

Gary (coxy64) - Please don't scrap any future projects. Your recent work has been appreciated - honest!!!

I had previously noticed the mottled effect and had assumed that this was deliberate "texturing" as when you "pan out" the viewing camera, the train becomes ultra realistic!

I would like to think the "caretaker" placed his foot in it by mistake - I can't honestly believe someone would make this post deliberately with the intention to cause upset. The trouble is, with the thousands of hours spent by modellers, the MSTS fraternity are (justifiably) liable to get a tad sensitive! I seldom criticise because I have tried (and lost) the battle with GMax!

So, Gary, and all you guys what give us trains out there.......don't let the occasional "knocker" get you down! For everyone wanting to slag off your latest creation, there are a hundred or more eagerly putting it through its paces! We haven't got your 4-SUB's in blue yet either or any 4-VEP's or 4-COR!!!

[thecaretaker]

Please, please, It was not my intention in anyway to have a dig at you or criticise your work at all. I really appreciate all the hard work you do (and all the other modellers) and I think your models are splendid. I really appreciate the many hours all you skilled modellers put in. It's the modelling skills and imput from people like yourself that has made Trainsim such an incredible hobby.

I am really hurt to think that you have misunderstood my post and taken this as a personal dig againts you, your work and in fact all modellers. I would never knowingly do that.

I really don't know what to say.

All I can say is sorry.

You have answered my question as to why there is a difference between the two model textures. All I can say is sorry and hope that you reconsider. Sorry!

[thecaretaker]

I would like to think the "caretaker" placed his foot in it by mistake - I can't honestly believe someone would make this post deliberately with the intention to cause upset.

It was definitely not my intention at all Streeter. Thank you for that!

[stevesherratt]

I have quickly replied with a vengence to a post or two then stepped back and gave it a second thought .

Im just trying to stay constructive and avoid loosing another highly valued member .

Now about textures , for some reason when you have a clean texture and alpha all is well .

Then lightly spray weathing dirt ect over it the texture seams to go mottled when in MSTS .

It can produce a desired effect to make a loco look old with flaky paintwork ect .

check this post on the other side

http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/3502.html

seams add some noise to the texture is the go .

Also Windows graphics settings need to be in 32 bit for best quality .


steve in ozz

[johndibben]

Members put a lot of effort into creating and repainting models.

Criticism of this type is best put in a PM or e-mail.

Plastering all over the forum is not the way to do it.

Probably an unfortunate error but remember the willingnes shown to pay for items coupled with crticism of freeware is making people think seriously about what they're doing, not least as MSTS2 isn't far away and who knows whether stuff will be compatible.

Gary has lived MSTS since it came out and is much valued amongst the 'gang'.

Let's put it down to an unfortunate posting, no hard feelings and learn by it

[thecaretaker]

Members put a lot of effort into creating and repainting models.

Criticism of this type is best put in a PM or e-mail.

Plastering all over the forum is not the way to do it.

Is this a wind up or what? Can you please quote where I criticised anybodies work in my post?

All I asked was for someone to explain why the textures of 2 models were different and if it were an error when I save the images to my disk or whether they were designed that way. OK, maybe I should not have used anyones name in the title of the post, but hay, I have seen their names mentioned on a number of titles and it was his model I was refering to.

I have appologised for any misunderstanding, what more can I do.

I have said sorry but still you insist on continuing to have a dig. On top of what coxy64 said in his post which I was very concerned about, I've had 40058's very abusive response and now you continue to have a dig after all I have said. It is becoming extremely clear to me why modelers are leaving this place if they get the sort of abuse and animosity from the other forum members as you have shown me.

Did you not bother to read my reply?

I shall write it again....

Please, please, It was not my intention in anyway to have a dig at you or criticise your work at all. I really appreciate all the hard work you do (and all the other modellers) and I think your models are splendid. I really appreciate the many hours all you skilled modellers put in. It's the modelling skills and imput from people like yourself that has made Trainsim such an incredible hobby.

I am really hurt to think that you have misunderstood my post and taken this as a personal dig againts you, your work and in fact all modellers. I would never knowingly do that.

I really don't know what to say.

All I can say is sorry

I cannot make it any clearer than that!

This is obviously not the friendly forum I once thought it to be. Unfortunatly there is not a delete your membership button. I'm sure from the remarks all of you have made that that is what you would rather I did. I shall continue to enjoy my trainsim but I shall not be visiting this forum again in a hurry!!!

[johndibben]

My response was measured and no one person was mentioned except for Gary ....

It was simply a statement based on experience and was meant as much for future posts as much as the one in question ....

It also gave the benifit of the doubt to posters of similar comments and was also meant as support for Gary and others of whom have had their feelings hurt by posts immediately after uploading a model or whatever when they are often a little apprensive and wondering what the response to it will be ....

Anyone who's uploaded anything will know there's a feeling of excitement at a model or whatever finished and made available ....

Even the most innocent of comments can feel like a blow to stomach ....

A certain amount of sensitivity should be allowed and accounted for ....

That appears perfectly reasonable to me and no doubt many others ....

As for any apologies being accepted .... that's a matter for Gary