Class 432 4REP & 438 4TC

glasgowworks · Post by **glasgowworks** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:27 pm

It is a reskin of 4TC model, being refurbished and repainted up to standard. Still to do finishing touches to the 4TC, and I will do a 4REP as well to go with it. The class 33/1 would be also good for 4TC. Today I had to make do with the 33/0, seen leaving Bournemouth...

Any problems or comments about anything to do with 4TC, Please drop a line

rufuskins · Post by **rufuskins** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:07 am

It's always good to see updated stock, and the 4TC (3TC) and 4REP in particular. Good luck with your efforts.

I am looking to include as many variations of the BR (SR) EMU classes as possible and new 4TCs and 4REPs are most welcome. This is in parallel with similar efforts for 1st Generation DMUs. As will have been noted from other posts I have been looking at Classes 488 and 489 (LH Coaching Stock for the Gatwick Express) and renumbering the former to create 488/2 and 488/3 sets.

May try and amend a Class 414 to create an alternative Class 489.

Hope all goes well with your modelling, Ruf

glasgowworks · Post by **glasgowworks** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:35 pm

I have the 4 REP created the other day, I have used the EH2 Mk1 RB24 coach for the buffet car, the rest are ex 4TC model. Regarding the EH2 coach, not sure whatever I need permission or not (they say feel free to upload, just credit me for the model on the read me, but can't see it on EH2 MK1 coach pack). So I spare a buffet car painted from 421 MBSO just in case.

Still got a bit of work to do for 4REP at present, while the 4TC is waiting to be finished.

btrendell · Post by **btrendell** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:37 pm

I concur with the comments above. It is welcome news to see some new SR EMU stock with better textures. As you know I create a lot of activities for Dorset Coast and I find that a lot of the avaialble EMU/DEMU stock needed for these is looking quite dated now a detracts from the effects and enjoyment.

Keep up the good work and I look forward to trying your hard work out what it's completed.

BT

glasgowworks · Post by **glasgowworks** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:07 pm

Following the realese of Dale Stewart Tribute pack to UKTS I have been decided to conclude this project, however I might do the Network South East 4TC, but there is no need to do a Blue and Grey anymore.

michaelhendle · Post by **michaelhendle** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:50 am

Hi Ali,

That's a shame that you have decided to stop work on your set's surely there was more than 1 REP running on BR so I expect yours would have been a different numbered REP/4TC than the one in the tribute pack.

glasgowworks · Post by **glasgowworks** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:00 pm

michaelhendle wrote:Hi Ali,

That's a shame that you have decided to stop work on your set's surely there was more than 1 REP running on BR so I expect yours would have been a different numbered REP/4TC than the one in the tribute pack.

The reason I intended to create the 4REP &4TC was to fill the gaps to the train-sim community, as Dale Stewart Tribute Pack wasn't avaliable during that time. Now that is avaliable freely and exclusively to UKTS, I had decided not to continue to do so, but I could continue to do an NSE 4TC one.

perfnet · Post by **perfnet** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:31 pm

glasgowworks wrote:
michaelhendle wrote:Hi Ali,

That's a shame that you have decided to stop work on your set's surely there was more than 1 REP running on BR so I expect yours would have been a different numbered REP/4TC than the one in the tribute pack.
The reason I intended to create the 4REP &4TC was to fill the gaps to the train-sim community, as Dale Stewart Tribute Pack wasn't avaliable during that time. Now that is avaliable freely and exclusively to UKTS, I had decided not to continue to do so, but I could continue to do an NSE 4TC one.

It would be great if you were to continue... speaking as an activity writer, the fact that MT used a different brake system on their 4TCs etc (EPB as opposed to air or vacuum) makes it quite hard to incorporate their stock into activities if you decide to do something other than the vanilla REP + TC... unless you include copious instructions as to how to re-engineer the brakes to match the rest of the player rake... unless I have missed something (which is a possibility!).

I could find a use for an NSE 4TC!

(Not a criticism of MT, btw!)

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:06 am

The more the merrier

...but just to point out a small issue with "freely available". It was originally a donationware pack for a Railway charity and I do hope folk will follow the suggestion of making a donation even though you can download it here now.

They are exceptionally good models as anyone can now see for themselves.

If you're having a go at some NSE skins why not have a go at the MT ones too with different numbering? (In view of the braking issue) Maybe they could be used as a "Free Stock Friday" upload? Just an idea?

Geoff

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:36 pm

perfnet wrote:
glasgowworks wrote:
michaelhendle wrote:Hi Ali,

That's a shame that you have decided to stop work on your set's surely there was more than 1 REP running on BR so I expect yours would have been a different numbered REP/4TC than the one in the tribute pack.
The reason I intended to create the 4REP &4TC was to fill the gaps to the train-sim community, as Dale Stewart Tribute Pack wasn't avaliable during that time. Now that is avaliable freely and exclusively to UKTS, I had decided not to continue to do so, but I could continue to do an NSE 4TC one.
It would be great if you were to continue... speaking as an activity writer, the fact that MT used a different brake system on their 4TCs etc (EPB as opposed to air or vacuum) makes it quite hard to incorporate their stock into activities if you decide to do something other than the vanilla REP + TC... unless you include copious instructions as to how to re-engineer the brakes to match the rest of the player rake... unless I have missed something (which is a possibility!).

I could find a use for an NSE 4TC!

(Not a criticism of MT, btw!)

The railway centre.com states that, as with a lot of SR stock, it used EP brakes.

perfnet · Post by **perfnet** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:29 pm

buffy500 wrote:
The railway centre.com states that, as with a lot of SR stock, it used EP brakes.

Unfortunately the sim is not as forgiving as the real world. But if they can be made to go together with other airbraked stock I would be more than willing to add to my knowledge!

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:51 pm

But apart from when they were hauled down from the makers by loco (I have a photo somewhere ...don't hold your breath) When did they ever run as anything other than the units they were designed to be?

Frankly the braking differences in MSTS are only an obstruction as the sim cannot reproduce the actual variations that were used. Until recent times that was a limited choice of course. Vacuum or none

...but then they had dual braking to facilitate air braking and since then there have been a multitude of systems. Work arounds and "buffer wagons" solved many of these but MSTS will not play ball with what actually happened. IMHO it's better to convert anything you want coupling and braking after about 1970 to Air/Automatic. This allows stock to be used and your imagination/self discipline should allow you to stick to prototypical speed limits?

Geoff

glasgowworks · Post by **glasgowworks** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:42 pm

lateagain wrote:But apart from when they were hauled down from the makers by loco (I have a photo somewhere ...don't hold your breath) When did they ever run as anything other than the units they were designed to be?

The 4TC were pushed and pulled by the Class 73 when the 4REPs were withdrawn in 1988. They were diagrammed to work the Weymouth to Bristol service, being powered by 33/1s.
4TC also ran between Salisbury and Waterloo, being pulled by a Class 50 (would not have been propelled).

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:50 am

glasgowworks wrote:
lateagain wrote:But apart from when they were hauled down from the makers by loco (I have a photo somewhere ...don't hold your breath) When did they ever run as anything other than the units they were designed to be?
The 4TC were pushed and pulled by the Class 73 when the 4REPs were withdrawn in 1988. They were diagrammed to work the Weymouth to Bristol service, being powered by 33/1s.
4TC also ran between Salisbury and Waterloo, being pulled by a Class 50 (would not have been propelled).

Well you can always change the braking & coupling mode on any model to match my suggestion. Indeed this is the combination that all MEP stock has been converted to. BTW what MSTS route includes Weymouth-Bristol? Push Pull was mainly carried out between Bournemouth and Weymouth prior to electrification of that line and that was by 33's as far as I know? Where did the 73's operate?

Geoff

PS those points aside don't give up on your project.

glasgowworks · Post by **glasgowworks** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:00 am

lateagain wrote:PS those points aside don't give up on your project.

The Class 73s worked on Bournmouth to Waterloo when 4REPs were withdrawn so that the elecrical equpiment would be re-used on Class 442s.

I will probubly not give up as I am planning to do an NSE Class 438, but I'm busy with other MSTS projects at the moment.

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