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Re: Blue Pullman

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Hi Jon,
Just some clarification please. 8)

Your first post says "Some uodates to .........". Does this mean re-download the original file and overwrite the one I have installed.

 Click to view more informationBlue Pullman Diesel Unit [1207054 bytes] - bluepullman.ZIP
File ID: 854 Date: 13 Feb 2002 - 5112 Downloads


Or do I wait for a new upload?

I read through the thread but did not know weather the screen shots posted were from testers or end users. :-?

Thanks. :lol:

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Hi Doug
Well as I haven't released them .... you wouldn't find them... :lol:

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Re: Blue Pullman

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Hi Jon,
Well there you go then. :D :lol: :roll: :o

Seriously, that's fine. It was all the screen shots, they led me (and possibly others) to believe the 'New' download was available.

Good luck with the 'Tweaks' :lol:

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Re: Blue Pullman

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jbilton wrote:Hi Andy
Yes I should have perhaps mentioned that speeding over 95mph causes an emergency brake application..... units didn't ever go above 90mph in use.
(You can take this out.... or increase it)
Without it I think I managed around 108mph on the level.
However I've tested this and with quick reactions, I've managed to stay above 60mph.
I did increase the power cars brake force, as I found it too weak here, and over shot a couple of stations.
(Again you can reduce it to whats more comfortable for your setup).
The brakes do cut power (again you can take this out) although realistically you shouldn't have power on with the brakes.
I'm really not sure why the brakes are taking so long to pressurize on a couple of peoples setups.... strange.
I'm using Bin 1.7.1022.
All I can suggest is to alter the brakes to some that work on your setup.
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Jon
Hi Jon.

Fraid I have not been doing anything much on the trainsim over the last week or so as i have had to get up at "silly o Clock" for various early turns.
Now back to the Pullmans The Midland one is restricted to 93MPH before it dumps all of the brake, but my version of the Birmingham Pullman has achived 102MPH so far.
I also have Bin 1.7.1022. set up on my simulator.
Ah so it looks as if I am one of the couple of people with long brake pressurizzing peoblems.sadly, I do not know how to alter the brake values or indeed where to excatly find them,in the engine files,Perhaps if I could have a little help or tuition with this please.
The activities on Burton Derby 2 that Im trying them out on are 70000 from Elford to Nottingham with the Midland set and D77 Birmingham (Elford) to Nottingham with the Biirmingham Pullman set. Whilst running in activity mode, the trains start on the move with the brakes fully charged, but trying to slow down with just an inital brake application,
causes the brake to go straight to full service and obviously the train shudders to a halt with all the soup spilled in everyones laps,and remains stationary until the brake pressure reaches 104PSI and the brake cyliners 13 PSI, as stated before It is possible for the train to then take power and move however my versions when doing this, obviously have the brakes
dragging, and for some reason the sound of Dynamic braking can be heard, Should this be happening? Also in the cab whilst the brakes are recharging the amp needle goes to zero until the brakes are fully charged and brake cylinders released and incidently, thats when the dynamic brake sound stops. Also whilst the brake charges up the main resivoir neddle dances
back and forth between zero and 40PSI, should that be happening.
Ideally I would like to run the sets on other routes, Soutampton to Lymington on the New forest route comes to mind plenty of signal stops there en route!
Also the Austrian Taurenbahn, which has single lines steep gradients and plenty of signal stops/speed restrictions.
But obviously can not do this unless I can get the brakes to release quicker.
I did not realise that the blue pullman sets used the twin pipe system thought it would have been electro phumatic brake or EPB!!
Also didnt realise the pullmans shared the same MAN engines as the NBL class D63XX no wonder they were not sucsessfull.
Anyway,any help out there with my brake problems would be very much appreciated and also if I could be pointed in the right direction as to how to post screenshots perhaps I could ilustrate what I mean.
Cheers Andy
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Re: Blue Pullman

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Hi Andy

Try altering this section in the eng files

BrakeSystemType( "Air_twin_pipe" )

MaxBrakeForce( 40kN )

EmergencyBrakeResMaxPressure( 110 )
TripleValveRatio( 2.5 )
MaxReleaseRate( 20 )
MaxApplicationRate( 5 )
MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 30 )
EmergencyResCapacity( 10 )
EmergencyResChargingRate( 30 )
BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 70 )


and also

AirBrakesAirCompressorPowerRating( 1.5 )
AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure( 140 )
AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure( 140 )
AirBrakesMainResVolume( 0.1 )
AirBrakesAirCompressorWattage( 29000 )
AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure( 100 )
AirBrakesAirUsedPerPoundsOfBrakePipePressure( 42.5 )
AirBrakesHasLowPressureTest( 1 )
AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricOrMechanical( 1 )
EngineBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake( 1 )
EngineBrakesProportionalBrakeLag( 1 )
TrainBrakesControllerMinPressureReduction( 6 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate( 10 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 2 )
TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate( 40 )
TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 0 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 110 )
TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty( 0 )
TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop( 26 )

The overspeed is

OverspeedMonitor(
MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel( 93 )
MonitoringDeviceResetLevel( 0.1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeBeforeOverSpeed( 5 )
MonitoringDeviceDoesSuppressionReset( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnOverspeed( 93 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnZeroSpeed( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnResetButton( 1 )
)


Screenshots are

[ album XXXX Imagename.jpg]

The real Pullman brakes were a special kind of two stage EPB.... but I had problems getting them to release on a cab change under Bin.

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Re: Blue Pullman

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Hi Jon.
Any news on the production model?
I altered the values that you posted but it did not make a scrap of difference.
rather strange that.
The only thing that i have been able to do to make the sets run smoother is alter
the BrakeDistributorReleaseRate to ( 5 ) and the BrakeDistributorNormalFullReleasePressure
to ( 90 ) So when the brake is fully charged at 110PSI, the brake cylinder shows minus thirty.
Its OK the brakes still work just fine.
I have been road testing between Droitwich road and Blackwell. I am doing around 80-82 MPH
going through Bromsgrove but am down to 45-48 MPH by the time I reach Blackwell .

Going down the licky is more interesting, The sets reach 112MPH passing through Bromsgrove.
but the Spedo sticks at 93MPH. No overspeed problems with my models.

Im afraid i dont get too much time at the moment to test drive the train, but I have replaced the regular stock
on the Bristol Birmingham run with the Birmingham pullman set and had a good run.

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Andy
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