Glasgow - Carlisle v3

[NiallGray]

Been checking my messages and I'd just like to say a big thankyou to everyone who got in touch. Positive comments really make all the work worthwhile.

I never expected a Scottish route would have so much interest, but saying that I'm delighted by the response it's got.

I'm glad to see someone else has put some acts up and when I finally get some free time again, I'll give them a run and hopefully upload some more of my own. I really hope that others can also put up some acts, the route will be more successful if more members support it by contributing.

That's all for now, thanks again!

Niall

[slp619420]

Is there an map of Glasgow To Carlisle V3, i think i did see one but can't seen to find it

[gswindale]

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... p#p1306080
may help
although you can ignore the "to-do" highlights for now

[NiallGray]

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... p#p1306080
may help
although you can ignore the "to-do" highlights for now

That pretty much covers the stations in the route, with the exception of Lockerbie and Gretna, which are also in it.

Anyone who downloads the route, there is a version of that map in the folder.

[delticcity]

While you're here Niall I'd just like to add my thanks for the route aswell. A superb piece of work which oozes atmosphere and the perfect route for the wonderful EH stock. Happy days! Dave.

[NiallGray]

While you're here Niall I'd just like to add my thanks for the route aswell. A superb piece of work which oozes atmosphere and the perfect route for the wonderful EH stock. Happy days! Dave.

Cheers Dave!

[NiallGray]

Question for people and I'd appreciate your answers.

Thinking about doing some more work on the route soon as I enjoy the creative side of MSTS more than just playing. The one thing I haven't done is route-building, never tried it until now. I think it'd be the perfect way for me to sign off on Glas-Car. I could ask someone to lay some track but it'd defeat my objective of giving route-building a go. The stations I have in mind are on the North Clyde line as I'd like to have something in the route to run the Orange/Black 320s on.

Been practicing when I can find time and while track-laying and getting the distances between stations is ok, some of the gradients are pure guesswork.

So my question is, what would you prefer?

A) Just do some more scenery work on the unfinished sections of V3 and possibly re-work scenery elsewhere as well.

or

B) Build a V4, with a handful of extra stations (I'm not stupid, 5 or 6 is my limit!) and while distances and location will be about right, the gradients may be a little flatter than real-life. I'd obviously be scenerising these new additions.


Niall

[gswindale]

I'd say go for Option (b)

I assume that would be heading out from Exhibition Centre towards Milngavie?

Although option (a) is perfectly fine - depends on what you feel more comfortable doing?

[model321]

I would like it if you went with option B Niall, it would be nice to see some small route extensions to the Glasgow suburban network.

[douglee]

Hi Niall,
Well the route is very well done, and although it is not my preferred era of operations, I have it on a Mini Route to separate the modern stock.(That was a laugh setting up.. working now though).

Option 'B' for me as well. To add to the drivable interest.

Though any route you build from scratch will certainly stand up against the rest, judging by Glas-Car, and you only finished that (not to suggest that was an easy task).

In the end it's your choice and for your enjoyment first and fore most.

Good luck
Doug

[rufuskins]

To my mind it depends whether you are a masochist or a sadist, although I believe the former applies to route builders and stock creators and the latter to activity writers!

Time and degree of challenge are the drivers here.

It is certainly not for us to dictate what turns you on - it's worth noting that what is driven on one's route in the privacy of one's own home is a matter for oneself and one's conscience! .

Whichever option YOU decide I for one will be grateful.

Alec

[dennisat]

Been practicing when I can find time and while track-laying and getting the distances between stations is ok, some of the gradients are pure guesswork. ....

I've found in my experiments in route building (extension really) that you can't get the gradients dead right because MSTS gets the distances wrong. If you place your significant locations (stations, etc) by Lat/Long and height, which normally fits the DEM generated terrain quite well, then trying to lay the track between them by using the real gradient means you usually miss your targets; sometimes by quite a long way. I've been compromising by laying the track so that it hits the peaks and troughs of the gradient profile at the right heights and locations even though the gradients don't match the real world. I think this is better than terrain sculpting in a big way; there's nothing more tedious.

I think I'd take option B as your next version of the route.

Dennis

[NiallGray]

I assume that would be heading out from Exhibition Centre towards Milngavie?

Partick would be in as I've wanted to put that in ever since I saw the models for Exhibition Centre and realised they were so good, I couldn't bear for the line to end there. However, I was actually looking at going in the other direction and heading towards Bellgrove. That way I can link up with the Union and City line and scenerise that all the way back to where it crosses south of Central station. Plus, a few miles of it is underground meaning less scenery needed!

Means it wouldn't be long acts (10-15 mins) but if I ever carried on, I would have a starting point for the North Clyde lines.

I've found in my experiments in route building (extension really) that you can't get the gradients dead right because MSTS gets the distances wrong. If you place your significant locations (stations, etc) by Lat/Long and height, which normally fits the DEM generated terrain quite well, then trying to lay the track between them by using the real gradient means you usually miss your targets; sometimes by quite a long way. I've been compromising by laying the track so that it hits the peaks and troughs of the gradient profile at the right heights and locations even though the gradients don't match the real world. I think this is better than terrain sculpting in a big way; there's nothing more tedious.
Dennis

DEM is out for me anyway because the route is not at it's real longitude/latitude and to move it now would cause more problems than I need! Another reason for doing the line to Bellgrove mentioned above is that with some route already there, I can work out where I need to go!

It is certainly not for us to dictate what turns you on - it's worth noting that what is driven on one's route in the privacy of one's own home is a matter for oneself and one's conscience! .
Alec

Alec, you worry me sometimes!

Seriously though the reason I want to run the Orange/Black 320s is that it's the only Scottish EMU I can't run on the current route.

Time and degree of challenge are the drivers here.

Time is big factor for me. Hence planning for just a few stations.


Thanks for all the replies, think I know which way I'm leaning now, but I want to speak to a few people who contributed on the original route before I make up my mind. Final decision won't be made for a month or so.

Anyone else got any thoughts, please feel free to post them.

Niall

[dennisat]

DEM is out for me anyway because the route is not at it's real longitude/latitude and to move it now would cause more problems than I need! .....

If you want to experiment with DEM in the future, DEMEX will deal with lat/long offsets.

Dennis

[simon3747]

I'm rather afraid I'm going to throw a spanner in the works here and say my preference would definitely be for option A. Niall fill in those scenery gaps, you do it soooo well mate.

Kind regards,

Simon