MSTS UK Route Map

Post by **martinhodgson** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 2:39 pm

I think it's quite impressive, because unlike Rob T's ECML, you have different routes in one area rather than one long route.

Horgy · Post by **Horgy** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 2:53 pm

Well indeed, and its easier to expand. i.e people can use my victoria station model for GEX, and then i could expand Waterloo East for SWT, etc...

Actually, if you drove from Charing Cross to Gravesend then to Victoria, stopping at each station thats about 2 1/2 hours..

Horgy

Horgy · Post by **Horgy** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 2:59 pm

Oh and for people who want to fiddle with fictional routes, heres an entire islands inspiration...

Horgy

Post by **martinhodgson** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 3:02 pm

Is that a real route or just a map?

Horgy · Post by **Horgy** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 3:04 pm

Its a completely fictional map me and Edders came up with.. plan was to build some routes but I think Charing Cross would be better once finished...

Horgy

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 3:46 pm

Add me on for the Isle of Man systems, Work in Progress. Complettion date tbc.

Chris

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 9:46 pm

This is trickier than I thought - hats off to you qz, my maps don't show the UK nearly so clearly (I'm a poet and I don't know it). What I do have is GWR maps in extreme detail - right down to every S Wales colliery line but these will only be useful as the 'zoomed in' hyperlinked maps. I can scan these and send hem to you, or Matt or whoever is map-boss (sounds like something from Quake), but for a main UK map I suggest we could use a more or less blank UK map with only the very important truck line son, but as a user mouses over it, regions are highlighted and clickable that then open a map with more detailed lines on. The routes built/building could be shown in very basic colour on the main UK map and then show in more detail on the zoomed maps.

You need not colour code individual routes but it would help to show the difference between a released one and one under construction, and it would help to give an indication of the era the route is set in. Perhaps colours of the rainbow:

red - up to 1922
orange - 1923-1947
yellow - 1948-1968
green - 1969-198? (end of BR, beginning of TOCS)
blue - 198?-now (TOCS to present day)
purple - specials (preserved lines running steamers, fictional lines set in real places, etc)

solid line = released, broken line = under construction.

Goingnorth · Post by **Goingnorth** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 10:56 pm

martinhodgson wrote:I think it's quite impressive, because unlike Rob T's ECML, you have different routes in one area rather than one long route.

You will be pleased to know, that build one of 'North British' has several altenative routes and lots of branches...including single track ones. I like this option too. On GNEReastcoast the two main reason's why this wasn't done was:

1. The limitations with OHL electrification.
2. The length of the route! Sheer time it takes to build something on this scale.

Anyway the next route you'll like lots. In one of the cities you've got a freight only routes via complex yards and train depots, the main line passes through a very complex station area in another area of the city.

The other city has slow 'round the houses' slow routes that join the main line at a later stage.

Fingers crossed it should be out shortly. It's a complete route this time, with lots of custom buildings including large stations.

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:10 am

saddletank wrote:This is trickier than I thought - hats off to you qz, my maps don't show the UK nearly so clearly (I'm a poet and I don't know it). What I do have is GWR maps in extreme detail - right down to every S Wales colliery line but these will only be useful as the 'zoomed in' hyperlinked maps. I can scan these and send hem to you, or Matt or whoever is map-boss (sounds like something from Quake), but for a main UK map I suggest we could use a more or less blank UK map with only the very important truck line son, but as a user mouses over it, regions are highlighted and clickable that then open a map with more detailed lines on. The routes built/building could be shown in very basic colour on the main UK map and then show in more detail on the zoomed maps.

You need not colour code individual routes but it would help to show the difference between a released one and one under construction, and it would help to give an indication of the era the route is set in. Perhaps colours of the rainbow:

red - up to 1922
orange - 1923-1947
yellow - 1948-1968
green - 1969-198? (end of BR, beginning of TOCS)
blue - 198?-now (TOCS to present day)
purple - specials (preserved lines running steamers, fictional lines set in real places, etc)

solid line = released, broken line = under construction.

Yeah - it took me a while to get the map like that - it's actually built from 3 screenshots from a PDF file zoomed to just the right detail and pasted together. It's still a bit large though. Your point about a 50's map struck a key with me - Woodhead wasn't on this one of course, I had to draw it on myself!

I like the colour code=era idea. I think that's a goer.

Also, a number of people have suggested Routes that should be included and given place names... but it's better if people DRAW onto this map the extent of the route because I honestly don't know sufficiently accurately enough for half of them! (e.g. Talylyn, NRR, Peak Rail etc etc)

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:17 am

Remember this? Well I'm still trying to keep it up to date as Dave C's RouteDatabaseUK project has stalled...

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As before - edit it and send it back to me with corrections/additions...

And yes - I know MidEastUK is still not right - I just haven't explored all the corners and haven't found a route map on UKTS for it.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:31 am

Seeing this map I'm reminded of UK railway maps of the 1830s and 1840s where the first routes were being built and they began to join up, gradually forming a network. We even have historically 'accurate' duplicate lines (GNER Eastcoast and MidEast), two stations in the same town, railway companies (i.e. route builders) arguing over where they will build their lines and staking their claim to certain regions and warning off other competing builders.... All quite realistic really.

I wonder if the new (simpler?) route editior tools in MSTS2 will open a new period of 'railway mania'?

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:53 am

My Ashford - Brighton route has been put on hold for a while, I'm waiting untill MSTS2 comes before doing anything.

Quite a selection of routes there.

doownyl · Post by **doownyl** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:31 am

Vern Moorhouse's Scottish routes aren't there yet?

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:39 am

doownyl wrote:Vern Moorhouse's Scottish routes aren't there yet?

Nor his SMJ - can anyone enlighten me?

Post by **martinhodgson** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:40 am

My Morecambe-Lancaster ins't there yet