Harwich - Manningtree...first impressions.

40058 · Post by **40058** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:32 pm

Ok Guys,

You've had the ECML's, GNER's etc and now you've got this little gem of a route, living near Manningtree and travelling the route I'd say very authentic.
At Manningtree you the houses that cut into the hills "Lawford Dale" and Parkeston Station really does look like Parkeston Station and the fact is the route with its Freight Yard and Container Port has excellant activity/route expansion potential.

Nice One Andy.

SteveS.

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:36 pm

Sorry to say this but there is something wrong with the route
when you exit manningtree bay platform and head towards the port at the end of the line, the train swerves violently just after the points and comes off.

40058 · Post by **40058** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:50 pm

rwaceyw wrote: Sorry to say this but there is something wrong with the route
when you exit manningtree bay platform and head towards the port at the end of the line, the train swerves violently just after the points and comes off.

Yeah I got that..happens opposite Container port too, I've emailed Andy about that.

Create an activity and start the train either at the Colchester end or Ipswich end make sure they're not "running wrong line" and you should be
OK til a patch or something comes along.

That happen in the NW Trains route too Carlisle to Workington.

SteveS.

asalmon · Post by **asalmon** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:03 pm

Where abouts are you starting from - let me see if I get that problem.

Steve, talking of NWT did you see my reply to you in that forum. I'm wondering if this is the same problem, the route being built on x-tracks and you guys not having it - that's why I want to know exactly where you get the problems.

jklnonesuch · Post by **jklnonesuch** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:21 pm

I don't know the line in real life, but the route looks excellent.

I ran one of Mark Shipman's 24s, light engine, out of the Manningtree bay, wrong line up towards Ipswich, then reversed down the branch 'down' to Parkestone Quay and then, crossing over onto the branch 'up' back to Manningtree and on towards Colchester, with flagrant disregard for any speed restrictions, but didn't encounter any problems on those particular tracks. I don't have x-tracks installed, so if that is a problem it would seem to be localised.

AndyG · Post by **AndyG** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:35 pm

I am as confused as everyone on this. I have checked it all many times and never come across either of these problems. I do have xtracks installed on my computer, but the route is all built on default track.

Perhaps you could provide more details on this ie what was you running and how fast also the precise position of derailment.

Andy

40058 · Post by **40058** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:43 pm

AndyG wrote:I am as confused as everyone on this. I have checked it all many times and never come across either of these problems. I do have xtracks installed on my computer, but tha route is all built on default track.

Perhaps you could provide more details on this ie what was you running and how fast also the precise position of derailment.

Andy

I was running 40106, it was running wrong line from Colchester gained access to the Harwich branch just after the level Xing then derailed.

SteveS

PS - I going to run a craven 105 dmu on its usual run M'tree to Harwich run.

I'll post results here tomorrow.

asalmon · Post by **asalmon** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:56 pm

I haven't had any problems yet, other than when I entered a 15 speed limit at about 40!

But then I still don't know where you're taking about - can't see ipswitch, colchester, or mannington bay!

40058 · Post by **40058** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:59 pm

Andy,

Firstly....check the map of the route in MSTS activity editor. Where there are Kinks in the track map...that's where it happens.

Tomorrow...as it's getting late now I'll run the DMU over these sections take a screen dump and email you with the pics of what's actually happening.

Regards,

SteveS.

jklnonesuch · Post by **jklnonesuch** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:07 pm

But then I still don't know where you're taking about - can't see ipswitch, colchester, or mannington bay!

The junction station for the Harwich branch is Manningtree. The bay platform here serves the branch and faces (theoretically) northwards. The mainline runs north towards an imaginary Ipswich and south towards a similarly non-existent Colchester.

Hope this helps

asalmon · Post by **asalmon** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:12 pm

A-ha, I'm with you now! I thought bay as in beach!

So if I come out of platform 1, but don't turn right onto the branch, I'm going towards ipswitch, and colchester is behind me?

BTW Steve, you may know this already, if you press 0 (number, not letter) you get a readout on the screen of lat, long and heading - that would be ideal for the screenshots of problem areas.

-Alan

jklnonesuch · Post by **jklnonesuch** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:16 pm

Yes. Sorry for any confusion.

40058 · Post by **40058** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:37 pm

asalmon wrote:
BTW Steve, you may know this already, if you press 0 (number, not letter) you get a readout on the screen of lat, long and heading - that would be ideal for the screenshots of problem areas.

-Alan

I did'nt know that.....cheers Alan I'll do that and inform AndyG tomorrow
night.

SteveS.

asalmon · Post by **asalmon** » Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:53 pm

No problem Jake - it's my lack of knowledge of east anglia that's probably to blame - being as this is billed as a "fictional" route I didn't know if these places actually existed or not!

-Alan

AndyG · Post by **AndyG** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:16 am

I called it a fictional route so I dont get a hard time for every signal or point I put in the wrong place!!

This derailing problem - What speeds are you encountering it at? I just had a little experiment running 40022 light at Manningtree and could not make it derail below 60mph - given that the speed limit there is 30mph that is probably a better rate than Railtrack