Copying signals from one route to anouther.

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:08 pm

To all,

I was wondering how too move signals from one route too anouther. I ask this because I want to copy the signals from the Worth Valley route too the Cambrian route because the signals on the Worth Valley are of better quality. And also because I am double-tracking the Cambrian which means I need more gantry signals.

RobertM

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:14 pm

Hi
Well I'm no route builder...but you'll have to re-signal the route, if your altering the track database, anyway.
So just follow the instructions included with the signals.
As a PS ...you know they are redoing the Cambrian anyway....and you wouldn't be able to uplaoad a patch.
Cheers
Jon

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:42 pm

I mean which files do I move from the Worth Valley too the Cambrian. And I am only double-tracking the Cambrian as a challenge, nothing more.

nestfilms · Post by **nestfilms** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:14 pm

jbilton wrote:Hi
Well I'm no route builder...but you'll have to re-signal the route, if your altering the track database, anyway.

Not quite Jon
you do not have to re signal if laying more track as long as you don't do a TDB rebuild if you do then the signals screw up the TDB rebuild
i have tried installing signals from a download pack into GWR pad penzance and i couldn't get it to work, the instructions contradicted what was already in the sig.dat and cfg and it just kept coming up with errors

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:19 pm

nestfilms wrote:[i have tried installing signals from a download pack into GWR pad penzance and i couldn't get it to work, the instructions contradicted what was already in the sig.dat and cfg and it just kept coming up with errors

No you certainly cant just do that...the signals are more than just shapes.

40058 · Post by **40058** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:10 pm

You can copy all the signal shapes from one route to another but you must add the scripts contained in the first routes sigcfg and sigscr files remembering to increase the signal types in the files you are coping to by the number contained in the route you are copying from then you can go into RE and change the signals as you go...

A word of warning though.... back up your original sigcfg and sigscr files as it's tricky to edit them, it only takes a missing bracket and you'll be pulling your hair out

40058.

johny · Post by **johny** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:20 pm

nestfilms wrote:.......

i have tried installing signals from a download pack into GWR pad penzance and i couldn't get it to work, the instructions contradicted what was already in the sig.dat and cfg and it just kept coming up with errors

All the download signal kits carry a warning (all in UPPER CASE) of the perils when adding new signals to a route already containing signals. You cannot just substitute shapes from a kit even if their names are similar. You must read the documentation that comes with these kits before attempting any resignalling.

John

nestfilms · Post by **nestfilms** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:43 pm

maybe i should have phrased it better.

I never replaced the existing ones i never said that
I tried to INSTALL the new ones as per the readme adding to the sigcfg.dat and sigscr.dat the relevant parts included with the signals.
The problem was was that the readme said the sigcfg.dat would be layed out in one way but the sigcfg.dat already there was layed out in a different way. hence errors when loading up and i couldn't figure out why

johny · Post by **johny** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:00 am

I do not have the Paddington - Penzance route so cannot comment on how the text in the signal data files is laid out.

Other than whether line indents have been used the layout must be as given in the MSTS Tech Docs, the line indents make the data files more readable when fault finding.

John

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:11 pm

I am re-asking the question about how to move signals from one route too anouther, seeing that this forum subject has become silent. Please donnot wander from the subject at hand people.

RobertM

40058 · Post by **40058** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:18 pm

40058 wrote:You can copy all the signal shapes from one route to another but you must add the scripts contained in the first routes sigcfg and sigscr files remembering to increase the signal types in the files you are coping to by the number contained in the route you are copying from then you can go into RE and change the signals as you go...

A word of warning though.... back up your original sigcfg and sigscr files as it's tricky to edit them, it only takes a missing bracket and you'll be pulling your hair out

40058.

You can't....without having to do what I quoted a while back...

You can't just copy signals from one route to another without editing the sigcfg and sigscr files....

40058.

johny · Post by **johny** » Mon May 02, 2005 6:04 pm

Other than following the advice already given, there's not much else to be said.

If you're still having problems then explain as fully as possible what's going wrong and at what stage in the process.

John

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Mon May 02, 2005 7:13 pm

Does anyone think that by just deleting the original sigcfg and sigscr files and replacing them with the Worth Valley ones, that might work?

RobertM

johny · Post by **johny** » Tue May 03, 2005 9:54 am

With regard to copying the signals from the KWVR you would be far better off downloading the following kits, from which the signalling used on this route was obtained. You will have everything necessary, including all the textures and installation instructions.

BR/LMS Semaphore Signals [2412630 bytes] - BR_LMS_SemSigV2.zip
File ID: 4983 Date: 18 Nov 2006 - 1017 Downloads

GWR Signal Kit [1237642 bytes] - GWRSigKitV1.0.zip
File ID: 4543 Date: 21 Aug 2014 - 1633 Downloads

UK Indicator Signals Kit V2.1 (Update) [108863 bytes] - INDSIG21.ZIP
File ID: 8739 Date: 01 Apr 2004 - 696 Downloads

Why the GWR kit? It contains the ground signal used.

Just deleting the original signal data files won't help either, you will still have the signals installed and will more than likely screw up your route altogether.

John