BALA HUB UPDATE

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BALA HUB UPDATE

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Sorry for the length of time getting back to everybody including those who have emailed me but I have been involved with another project outside of MSTS although still to do with animated trains but not in sims. I might post a few shots of locos used if anyones interested.

Right, just an update for everyone on what’s happening with the Bala Hub. The routes finished and I am writing the activities. Got most of the BR diesel stuff done without any problems. Much the same for the GWR steam activities too but I am having major problems trying to do some BR(M) and LMS steam activities. Some of the locos won’t pull the skin of the proverbial pudding (not much use on the Bala Hub with a climb from sea level to over 1300 feet in a few miles). Lots of the BR(M) and LMS stock has major problems with coupling/brake and bounding box errors. As I like my activities to start and end on shed the need to couple and uncouple easily is a necessity. I'm not having much success trying to contact the stock authors either. At the moment I'm writing an BR(M) steam passenger activity which requires the stock to be shunted out of the carriage sidings into the station, the loco then runs around to couple to the front. Later in the activity the train reverses direction at Bala junction with the loco having to run around the stock. At the end the loco is uncoupled and run to shed. At the moment this activity is a hit and miss nightmare so I swapped the BR(M) stock for Robin Howels GWR clerestories and it now runs reasonably well (but not very prototypical :lol: ). Hopefully the route will be available soon.

What with the scarcity of decent freeware UK stock (has the UK MSTS scene died in the last two months, not much in the way of new stock uploaded apart from modern stuff) the lack of support from members of the community with requests for assistance in modelling and activity writing, the effort involved in producing a freeware route of this magnitude on ones own is just to much.

The upshot of all this is once the Bala Hub is out that’s the end of my freeware route building until MSTS2 appears. If other commitments allow I shall be trying to fill in some of the steam loco gaps now that I am back to animating full Walschaerts valve motions after a few years away from it.

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Hi

I hope you sort out your activity problems, your route soundss absolutely superb, and is one of the most eagerly awaited routes this year i'm sure. Do you think you could post some shots of what you mentione at the beginning of your post, as it sounds intriguing.

Chris 8)
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You can be assured that I'll buy a copy when its done
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Post by gopher »

Getting on top of the stock problems slowly Chris.
I will post some loco shots in the screenshot forum but due to privacy agreements I can't post any recent shots and only give a rough idea as to what has been going on.

Hi David

Glad your going to buy the CD and it won't cost you 25 quid for a 100 miles plus of high detail route. Oops, Matt will have my hide for getting controversial there :) Turn your back for a couple of months and the Forums have turned into a battlefield.

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Post by NeutronIC »

Gordon, if you need a hand sorting out bounding boxes, brakes and couplings and so forth just drop a copy of the stock over and i'll mail you a bunch of fixes back along with AI versions etc.

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As I was reading the first bit of the message I was going to suggest a similar thing to what matt just did :)

Excluding the Ai version. ;)

I did some work on bounding boxes recently to make stock couple. :) your Z value in the Engine file needs to be smaller tahn the Z value in the .sd file (add the - value to the + value ignoring the negative and positive)

eg Z -1.50 and z 1.5 = 3.0 not 0 ;)
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BBoxEdit :)

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Post by gopher »

Matt and Alan

Hi , understand all the stuff about the bounding boxes and coupler/brake problems. Been fixing a few myself. the problem is I just have too many balls in the air at the moment to modify and test them. there arn't that many though. I'm waiting for the stock authors to contact me in the hope that they may modify the eng and wag files themselves. If not I hope you can do the mods for me Matt.

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Post by alan2 »

NeutronIC wrote:BBoxEdit :)

Matt.
Ish I couldn't get to grips with BBox edit so i took to tweaking the files manually. ;)

I found it easier to look at the shape in the sim (with BBoxes shown) and the sim in a window. ;) tweak the files reload the explore moe and recheck.

Hence what I call live tweaking ;) :)

I adjust the files so it looks correct and couples up ok :) *found TSM is worst program at making this mistake with bboxes. :-?
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It would help a lot with manual editing if you could see the bounding boxes in Shape Viewer.
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Post by mdanie »

Gordon, with respect to your other project are these any good?

http://home.new.rr.com/trumpetb/loco/

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/tw/arch ... #Valvegear

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Thats a good idea Ian, by the way thanks for the mods to the wagons, they work a treat.

Mdanie. Thats a good site. Explains things very well, even discovered a couple of things I didn't know and I thought I knew most things about valve gear having spent lots of time years ago restoring and setting the flaming things.

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There is an article in the April 2004 issue of Steam Days on "The Bala & Festiniog Railway". I have never visited the railway but was able to place the location of several of the photographs without reading the captions.

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Dashes down the shop>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Post by Iluka »

Hi Gordon

How is the new CD coming along?? - I know it takes a lot of effort and I try not to be impatient

I want to dash down to the UKTrainsim shop as soon as it is released and buy it

Kindest Regards

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