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Just a few more screenies from testing



























Enjoy

David

Thats lovely, when is this route going to be ready?

Tesco looked "new" compared to the rolling stock used! Great screenies

Tesco looked "new" compared to the rolling stock used! Great screenies

It is - they have only just built it, but that stocks been around a while. Tescos are a bit ahead of their time and very forward thinking. Its not a problem, we have other modern bits in MEP.

Mick Clarke

I liked the idea of the bubble on its own .

Reminds me of IRIS (DB975010) from the RTC, until at least '75 she was in green with small yellow panels and carried the coaching stock BR white circle emblem on her sides. IIRC she was based off Lincoln for a spell an regularly was tacked onto a Sheffield Lincoln service in the evening to get to depot.

You don't see a Tesco's that often.

nutterjknights wrote:Tesco looked "new" compared to the rolling stock used! Great screenies

....so you'll be able to point me at some visual reference for Tesco's Logos from 1967 - 87???

If you do it's a 2 minute job to change it .

Geoff

lateagain wrote:

nutterjknights wrote:Tesco looked "new" compared to the rolling stock used! Great screenies

....so you'll be able to point me at some visual reference for Tesco's Logos from 1967 - 87???

If you do it's a 2 minute job to change it .

Geoff

But does it really matter, it's all about the trains

40058

jtiffin wrote:You don't see a Tesco's that often.

That's only in Kent!

There...... you have LOCAL stores for LOCAL people...... Are YOU local.....

Actually today they have 15 stores within 4 miles of you! ....according to their campaign map! Ooops I mean Store locator. Looks like you're surrounded too! You need to get off the computer and get out more (assuming you can of course ) ...but if you do I'd spend the time visiting all those nice preserved railways you've got there rather than looking for Tescos. Sooner or later it'll be all Tescos and we'll be living in cardboard boxes in deserted Malls ????? ....if they haven't all been recycled that is.... the cardboard boxes that is...

Geoff

lateagain wrote:

nutterjknights wrote:Tesco looked "new" compared to the rolling stock used! Great screenies

....so you'll be able to point me at some visual reference for Tesco's Logos from 1967 - 87???

If you do it's a 2 minute job to change it .

Geoff

Hi Geoff
Its a tricky one........ but I seem to remember that original TESCO signs were plain red.
Best I could find on a google search



However as I remember early TESCO buildings were very plain 'warehouse' shaped, with no fancy clock towers ect.

Cheers
Jon

40058 wrote:But does it really matter, it's all about the trains 40058

Indeed and we've tried hard to get those right but getting reliable research on such a huge area for a time frame 40 years ago is not that easy. I've spent nearly £300 on reference books (it's been a great excuse to buy some great railway books ) and these have been used as reference to model stations and track side buildings and all sorts.

I'm sure you're going to love the trains but it's Mick's scenery that I think will really blow you away.

My post wasn't a dig. Find a picture of or history of Tesco's logo's and we'll put it in. No point in "spoiling the ship for a hapeth o tar!".

Folk do have to realise how much the world changes in 20 years. As I said before this was almost the entire length of total dieselisation on the ECML and steam was not long gone, electrification well under way and even within a few years beyond our dates the very structure of BR and Britains railways changed. We can't even make the weather change in a single trip in MSTS let alone make all the other dynamic changes to the world at large.

So the answer is compromise. Mick's reinstated some lines that Beeching had axed and we've a few items that weren't actually built till after the routes date. Mick's skill in creating the route has been to create a fantastic illusion (Since BIN gave us the 500m cam view there's few routes where you can't see the edges) of depth. Vast areas of the route are flatlands (not that flat as you'll discover when you drive the grades ) but you always get the feeling that the world is "real" and extends beyond your view. The Towns, Villages, Stations all have unique identities and unlike some routes you feel the stations are there for something! Of course the early railway developers were quite happy to place a station a few miles from it's named destination but even then you can usually see the habitation in the distance.

So yes "it IS about trains" but without commercial constraints, many commercial add-ons thin out scenery to make the spec of machine needed lower (?) and have publishers deadlines to meet, we've been able to pay attention to quite a bit of detail. A correct Tesco logo? Not that big a deal...... but then some smart alec will point out they didn't have "superstores" back then well when exactly? ....actually Brent Cross in North london opened in 1976 and the idea spread pretty quickly once the concept proced a success, so 1966 wrong?1986 right?

We've spent a lot of time looking at Loco numbers for reskins. MOST loco's over a 20 year period were based all over the shop for varing lengths of time. A few stayed put and wore the same livery. In MSTS all you can say is that at sometime 37XXX was likely to have been seen on MEP metals. So rivet counters beware. We ain't interested.

There's enough stock in the stock pack to create prototypical activities for just about any part of the 20 year era.

Geoff

Whats the big deal about Tescos?

We seem to be losing the point all together here. Its just a bit of scenery that happens to be a bit modern looking, but does represent that part of Boston quite nicely, and its not that different to supermarkets that were around in the 70's /80's.

I'm quite happy with it. Maybe the petrol prices are out but who really cares?

We have a bridge at Cambridge that wasn't actually built until about 2000, but it looks pretty OK and fits in.

Mick Clarke

systema wrote:Whats the big deal about Tescos?

We seem to be losing the point all together here. Its just a bit of scenery that happens to be a bit modern looking, but does represent that part of Boston quite nicely, and its not that different to supermarkets that were around in the 70's /80's.

OK fine.

I spent 4 hours today trawling round various local history websites and mailing lists to try to get a 1970s picture of a Tesco store from that era.

No joy but a couple of people I know are still looking. If you don't want or value that then I can call them off and save them the trouble / effort. They are totally disinterested in train simulation but more into local history and they may well find photos of 1970s Tesco stores.

Since the moderators are excluded from the MEP forum I can only post this here.

Hey, steady on, I was only wondering why all the attention was being focussed on Tescos. It seems a little out of proportion to me, but, excellent if someone can come up with a more contemporary looking logo.

I had no idea there was so much interest in it or that people were doing research on it. Apologies if I have given the impression that I do not care, it just didn't seem that important to me. I am always grateful for any contribution that others can make.

Mick Clarke