Fascinated by this...

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:10 am

...so I thought I'd have a play in TSM...

I think someone else has had a go but I just wanted to see whether I could build something like this from plans...

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:34 pm

Might need plenty of weight behind the axle to balance it.

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:49 pm

The front looks very German, the cab very Russian, l'd guess a 2-8-2 or some sort, interesting indeed, go for it, you may have hidden talents

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Best regards

Michael

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:03 pm

Is it the 5AT?

David

mccormackpj · Post by **mccormackpj** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:12 pm

It does indeed look very like Wardale's 5AT. For further details, see here: http://www.5at.co.uk/. I find the design sits strangely on the eyes (well, on my eyes, to be fair): it has French, German and US features on what is a clearly recognisable Class 5 (Black 5, Standard 5, whatever you like to call them). I suppose it looks strange because it is a mix of the very well-known and the clearly 'foreign'. Who knows, the next thing would be to add a brass safety valve trumpet! (Only kidding).

Joking aside, I applaud the efforts of all those who have followed Porta's example and striven to improve and develop the potential of the steam locos. Nor do the results have to look bizarre, as the adaptations of the Snowdon, Talyllyn and Welshpool locos show.

Patrick

DrkAngel · Post by **DrkAngel** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:21 pm

I had something of a similar idea myself over the last few years although I went for the bigger 4-8-4 type based slightly on the proposed one for the LMS but with 3 cylinders employing caprotti valve gear

If I can iron out the mathmatic's of the boiler design I may yet get round to building her for my own pleasure

Be a nice venture if it was to come into fruition as I think it would be interesting to see

Anyone know what happened to the turbomotive 2 project? I can't seem to find anything out anymore as the website is now long gone and it would be a pity to not see this also become realitiy.

mccormackpj · Post by **mccormackpj** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:23 pm

DrkAngel wrote:I had something of a similar idea myself over the last few years although I went for the bigger 4-8-4 type based slightly on the proposed one for the LMS but with 3 cylinders employing caprotti valve gear

If I can iron out the mathmatic's of the boiler design I may yet get round to building her for my own pleasure
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In what scale/gauge combo? I assume not 12":1', unless you are a multi-millionaire! (If you are, I've got a little wish list ..

). But seriously, I have always fancied a live steam 3 cylinder compound, probably 5" gauge. Don't tell anyone but I was offered the chassis of a 5" Schools which I thought I could adapt as a compound. That'll have the Southern mob frothing! I would probably get the same treatment as Stanier and Hawksworth received from Collett when they proposed to make a compound Castle.

Failing that there is always TrainSim. In fact I already have the bare bones of a large 3cyl 4-8-0 intended to make low the mountains and hills - more specifically Shap, Ais Gill and Beattock. And what about the Deeley de Glehn 4-6-0, or the Fowler compound Pacific? Tuplin's books have lots of 'might-have-beens': GWR pannier 2-6-0Ts, the LM&S 4-8-4 you mention, SR 2-6-2s and BR Class 8 2-8-2 to name but a few. I think MSTS is a great 'sandbox' not only for imaginary routes, but also locos that may be or never were. So where are they all?

Patrick

DrkAngel · Post by **DrkAngel** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:47 pm

12" to the foot, I can only wish and if I could do that I would be building replicas of a few ex LNWR engines sadly gone before the preservation scene took off.

I was in the long term planing on maybe 4 or 7mm scale, live steam on 5" gauge is apealing as its a wonderful way to get the best of both worlds but some way off in from my point of view. If anything now I will be building them in MSTS as its the best I can do with my talents so far

Some of the plans I have collected so far of locomotives that never where should make for some interesting models

My only problem now is finding the time to be able to fit them in my already well stuffed plan box

mccormackpj · Post by **mccormackpj** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:03 am

DrkAngel wrote:12" to the foot, I can only wish and if I could do that I would be building replicas of a few ex LNWR engines sadly gone before the preservation scene took off..

Claughton? Precursor? Some of my candidates are: GER Claude Hamilton, NER, NBR, L&YR Atlantics, ALL GCR Robinson locos, CR Dunalastair and Cardean, unrebuilt L&SWR D15, ooh the list goes on ..

DrkAngel wrote:Some of the plans I have collected so far of locomotives that never where should make for some interesting models ..

Most of the Tuplin books have 'might-have-beens', ES Cox's too. Locos That Never Were is inspirational: LM&SR 'double compound' Garratts would have been a sight! Some were a bit off-the-wall, but the Beames 4-8-0 would have been very practical and perhaps the Stanier 8fs would not have been built. The LM&SR and SR versions of the V2s would have been useful, too .. one can dream!

Which would be your starter project?

Patrick

sp762 · Post by **sp762** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:11 am

My model is fairly advanced - but I have'nt touched it for months now - last time I posted this pic there didn't seem to be a lot of interest...

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:44 am

That tender's a bit OTT don't you think?

mccormackpj · Post by **mccormackpj** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:49 am

The heritage tender is really only cosmetic, as the 5AT is so economical it will run on the thin layer of dust at the bottom of an empty bunker and the drips off a leaky injector!

Patrick

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:23 pm

sp762 wrote:

My model is fairly advanced - but I have'nt touched it for months now - last time I posted this pic there didn't seem to be a lot of interest...

I knew I'd seen it somewhere else! Yes it is the 5AT - I haven't got any end on diagrams so those are based on the paintings that have been done. Note, although I have no idea how to animate the rods at this time, I wanted to see how far I could get with it.

I think if either one could be finished, there's some fantastic liveries on the 5AT site that could be produced!

DrkAngel · Post by **DrkAngel** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:07 pm

mccormackpj wrote:
DrkAngel wrote:12" to the foot, I can only wish and if I could do that I would be building replicas of a few ex LNWR engines sadly gone before the preservation scene took off..
Claughton? Precursor? Some of my candidates are: GER Claude Hamilton, NER, NBR, L&YR Atlantics, ALL GCR Robinson locos, CR Dunalastair and Cardean, unrebuilt L&SWR D15, ooh the list goes on ....

Yes I agree there is indeed some very large gaps in the lists of preserved engines, I did find out recently that there is a group in the process of building a GER Holden F5 so that will be something to look out for also

Look here for more info if interested

http://www.holdenf5.co.uk/

As for LNWR engines, both of those certainly merit a possible plan in the future, if there was someone willing to do so but my personal choices would be perhaps some of the Webb compounds, a Teutonic would be top of the list for them but a Greater Britain class (I would go for 2 so that the Jubilee liveries could be carried

) would also be worth a look, also either Whale's Experiment or Beames' Prince of wales would be a worthy candidate for me

Would be nice for a High flyer and Cardean as well but I would quess it is a case of what the future may bring for us in the real world so for now I think MSTS is as good a medium as any to bring them to life at least for now...

mccormackpj wrote:
DrkAngel wrote:Some of the plans I have collected so far of locomotives that never where should make for some interesting models ..
Most of the Tuplin books have 'might-have-beens', ES Cox's too. Locos That Never Were is inspirational: LM&SR 'double compound' Garratts would have been a sight! Some were a bit off-the-wall, but the Beames 4-8-0 would have been very practical and perhaps the Stanier 8fs would not have been built. The LM&SR and SR versions of the V2s would have been useful, too .. one can dream!

Which would be your starter project?

Patrick

Yes there are some great engines listed in those books though I do not have a copy of Cox's Chronicles of steam but its on the to get list as I could do with the infomation on the Coleman 2-6-2 and the large and very graceful 4-8-4

I think it is interesting on what could of come out instead of what really did, an example would be the standard 8, Had they gone with Harrison's version istead of the Marylebone one she would be with a boiler of a similar design of the rebuilt bullieds with a banjo dome, Walschaerts valve gear with the open option for either the Gresley conjugated gear or three sets as per Bullieds rebuilds, german type deflectors with a thompson styled chimney and a large void where the gap in the runningplate was!

What would I start with, now there is the million dollar question

it is true there are a great deal of good ideas worth trying but I guess it would have to be the Colman 2-6-2 and the 4-8-4 which would be on the top of the list at least for now

I agree the 5AT would be worth finishing, and indeed the livery potential is quite interesting too

mccormackpj · Post by **mccormackpj** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:20 pm

As you may have noticed I have a soft spot for things pre-grouping and Robinson was up there with SW Johnson for sheer artistry - so I wonder what the Robinson Pacific (yes, a Gorton Pacific!) would have been like.

As for Chronicles of Steam, try abebooks: http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Searc ... efield.y=0

I've just looked at my efforts at a 4-8-0 in 3DC and I'm too ashamed to share them; I will have to start again. But I'm waiting to see your 4-8-4!

Patrick