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duckweed · Post by **duckweed** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:58 am

What a pairing and beautiful scenery too, love the little leaving the city and heading into the countryside story that the photos tell. Pity we'll never get to see that in real life with Mallard permanently retired.

Good to have that camera back in action Mr. I...sorry I mean Churchward.
lol

Regards,

~Terry~

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:32 pm

I assume that this is TRS2004 and there will be further examples from youre photo service in the future Mr. GJC

Very nice work it is too!

GeorgeJacksonChurchward · Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:05 pm

It is TRS2004 and the route is ECML South ,i understand the bloke modeling it ,intends to do the whole lot.At which point it will be possible to merge all the sections together in Surveyor and drive the whole thing.

Piccies are a bit iffy at the moment as i am still getting to grips with my new system,can't get the settings quite right.

Terry you can call me Izzy ,anytime ,hehehehehehe.

jonhewes · Post by **jonhewes** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:18 am

duckweed wrote:What a pairing and beautiful scenery too, love the little leaving the city and heading into the countryside story that the photos tell. Pity we'll never get to see that in real life with Mallard permanently retired.

Good to have that camera back in action Mr. I...sorry I mean Churchward.
lol

Regards,

~Terry~

Is Mallard permanently withdrawn from traffic now? I can remember seeing it in Steam at York station during the mid 80s when I was about 5 yrs old.

The ironic thing is, is that half the locos in the NRM would probably run without any difficulties at all, and are just out of traffic because they need boiler certification etc. Take Evening Star, Duchess of Hamilton (My Fave Loco), and Mallard as examples. All (bar evening star because it didn't need it to run) relatively recently restored and withdrawn from the NRM steam specials in working order.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:06 am

I think Mallard, because of her unique historical value is simply too valuable to run now, in case of damage, wear and tear that would be too expensive to remedy, etc.

mikesimpson · Post by **mikesimpson** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:02 pm

Just remember these were LNER locos and you did not need two of them to pull 9 carriages

For those who have only seen Mallard in York museum, I saw it in 1948 at Coldstream station in North Northumberland on the old Tweedmouth/St.Boswells line during a diversion when the Berwick/Edinburgh section of the ECML was disrupted by floods (14 bridges were washed away).

GeorgeJacksonChurchward · Fri Nov 07, 2003 7:19 am

Just remember these were LNER locos and you did not need two of them to pull 9 carriages

No you needed three.

1crick14a · Post by **1crick14a** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:24 am

Hold on Mike Simpson

Blondie a pal of mine was in the top link at KingsX that's the Newcastle/
Edinburgh runs he remembers the A4s when their cut-off was set at 65%
needed assistance from some stations from behind to get them started
their cut-off had to be increased at the start of WW2 as the trains became heavier..........R

jonhewes · Post by **jonhewes** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:32 am

I was speaking to someone who used to be a signal man, who saw an A4 halling a 37 coach train out of London during the war.

An A4 could easily haul such a rake of carriages without assistance. I saw a collet loco hauling 11 MK1s out of Lincoln last month!

1crick14a · Post by **1crick14a** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:41 am

I think your mate added about 15 on and they would still need a banker
to get out of the X they had bankers out of Euston and St Pancras as well
............R

mikesimpson · Post by **mikesimpson** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 11:37 pm

Hi Crick,

You have been eating too much of that Morcambe Bay rock

I used to travel regularly from KingsX to Berwick on the ECML in the fifties and never saw a double header or banker used.

However must admit they sometimes changed engines at Doncaster.

matpef · Post by **matpef** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:49 am

duckweed wrote: Pity we'll never get to see that in real life with Mallard permanently retired.

Oh well, that's what simulations are for isn't it?

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:50 am

PLEASE can you stop bringing up old topics!? It is getting VERY annoying!

David

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:42 pm

At Kings X, Euston and most other stations at the bottom of a bank the loco which brought in the ECS usually banked the train out.
This was often a booked move to clear the rear loco out of the station area without a second path whether a banker was required or not.
The banker would drop off a mile or so out or when the train got away from it.