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johndibben wrote:I guess its difficult for those who have small commercial concerns as one or two individuals' livelyhoods might be greatly affected by bad publicity.

It maybe a significant part of their income or they might be working towards it becoming their sole income.

Microsoft and Kuju get plenty of adverse comments but I doubt they care or have need to.

For some its a hobby from which they decide to make their lielyhood.

Their friends then become their customers as do anyone they're not so friendly with.

To have their own forum then becomes very risky.
I'm sorry but I still can't agree with this. Maybe its simply different things work for different people/companies, but I certainly fall into your small commercial concern and my livlihood would indeed be compromised by a drop off in sales - I simply do not think that a negative piece of publicity has this causal relationship with sales. To me the key is in maximising the quality of the product and the customer service. If you have faith in your product then you would want to face the critisism in order to determine what you are doing wrong and put it right. Further, by not being afraid of doing this in public you demonstrate that faith. To me this is more important to small companies than to large corporations since the customer facing staff in the large corporations would tend to be less close to their product than us small producers who really care about what we are producing. I honestly do not believe that TsTools would have become the success that it has if I had not had the opportunity to face up to and discuss issues with customers and potential customers in an open public forum.

There is a topic in the TsTools forum on this site, the title is Thinking about buying the Pro Version ??? Think again ... and the first sentence reads Hi!, I've had some extremely unpleasant experience with "dcm" - the people behind the TsTools...

Now, I could quite easily have deleted the topic and tried to subdue the poster 'off air', but why should I do that - by talking through the problems, seeing where I was going wrong, discussing it with anyone who wanted to become involved, I was not only able to improve the product, but the poster became a very loyal customer, who even went on to recommend the program to other people.

This is not a selfless attitude - I honestly believe that being open and accountable like this actually enhances the credibility and reputation, and therefore the sales, of a company. I don't know whether 3DTS lost a customer (dforrest) as a result of the event described in the first posting of this topic, but they certainly lost the faith of an individual - as has been said above - its a shot in the foot.

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1) Rob agrees with me which is a worry :wink: :lol:

2) Seriously, it was only a generalisation. I have no links with and commercial outfit and the remarks were based on experiences in the model railway world where there are many small outfits producing 'add-ons'. The TS community is looking more and more like the model railway world in this aspect. Sales were greatly affected by 'reputations' particularly with older enthusiasts. Most young people will buy anything which sounds good.

I like to 'play a straight bat' and be fair and honest with everyone but if my livelyhood was affected, or there appeared to be a group of people having a 'pop', (there's always clannishness with hobbies), I would probably respond.

3) Knowledge, skill and enthusiasm on their own do not seems to be enough to be a success commercially. Diplomacy, the abilty to communicate, sound financial abilities and most importantly to keep a cool head are required.

As I don't fit that profile, I shall remain an 'umble customer :wink: :lol:
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I'm not intending here to have a pop at anyone, my comments - whilst my true opinions - are only made in the interest of healthy debate - I wouldn't want to think that I was offending or upsetting anyone by stating them, these are, after all, only my own opinions.

(maybe we should have kept them off a public forum ;) )

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davec wrote:I'm not intending here to have a pop at anyone, my comments - whilst my true opinions - are only made in the interest of healthy debate - I wouldn't want to think that I was offending or upsetting anyone by stating them, these are, after all, only my own opinions.
No one said anything to the contrary :-?
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Hi all

They've removed the forum now, so it makes it harder to find out about what there doing and about patches etc. Thankyou.

Chris 8)
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Christopher125 wrote:They've removed the forum now, so it makes it harder to find out about what there doing and about patches etc. Thankyou.
Could try emailing them?
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Post by Hoodoo »

Though I cannot comment too much on the opinions concerning 3DTS's forum situation, or lack thereof. But I can say this...

E-Mailing them might be a good idea. There are many things coming about that have people there busy...including myself. Very Hectic.

But be ready for some awesome stuff that's coming soon.

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Hi all

Hoodoo, all i'm interested in (at the moment anyway) is how the Cambrian route is going and if it will be released shortly.

Thanks for any reply,
Chris 8)
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News and screenshots coming soon ;-)
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Thanks Vern et al

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isambardkingdombrunel wrote:Hahahahahahahaha,im saying nothing. :-? :-?

IKB.
What was that about GWR coaches, IKB?
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Post by saddletank »

So that's what caused it all? A few Taliban train simmers wanted 3DTS to make some GWR coaches. ;)

No doubt Saddam Hussein has been a bit derogatory on their forums too...
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davec wrote:To me the key is in maximising the quality of the product and the customer service. If you have faith in your product then you would want to face the critisism in order to determine what you are doing wrong and put it right. Further, by not being afraid of doing this in public you demonstrate that faith.
Well said Dave. I follow this same philosophy for my own forums.

I would like to add that another reason is to save time - answering what might be a common question once on the forum saves me countless private emails: many times an answer for one can be an answer for all. Doesn't always turn out this way - sometimes it takes a phone call to walk a customer though an issue. Matters not whether they buy a $5 speeder or everything on the site. Each customer is equally important to the success of my business.

Besides, I've been hosting my own forums for over 10-years (started with a dial-up 9600b BBS - various games), and I'm having too much fun to stop now! :D
Cheers!
Marc - 3DTrains

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