query about WAGN Kings Cross-Peterborough services

[XPTE]

At Pbro, which platforms do the KX-Pbro trains usually depart and terminate at?

[delticbob]

Sounds like an "I say...I say" joke,

"I say...I say, At Pbro, which platforms do the KX-Pbro trains usually depart and terminate at?"

I don't know! At Pbro, which platforms do the KX-Pbro trains usually depart and terminate at?

I have seen them stood in Platform 3. I would guess depending on frequency, lay over time & other traffic, 2 or 3 would a good bet

[XPTE]

Also, something which is confusing me. Looking at the WAGN timetables for Kings Cross-Peterborough, a WAGN service leaves Kings Cross at 1006 for Peterborough calling at Finsbury Park, Potters Bar, Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City, Welwyn North, Knebworth, Stevenage, Hitchin and then all stop to Peterborough. All WAGN services according to the Video 125 Flying Scotsman video use the fast lines between Kings Cross and Hitchin before transferring to the slow line up to Huntingdon and then back on the fast line to Peterborough. They wouldn't be able to use the slow line anyway because of the regular local stopping services which operate between Kings Cross & Welwyn Garden City. The 1006 service is due for arrival in Hitchin at 1046. Sounds all ok. But according to the GNER timetable there is a service that leaves Kings Cross at 1010 and is due for arrival in Peterborough at 1055. How can this train possibly arrive at Pbro by 1055 if it is going to be held up by the earlier 1006 WAGN service running on the fast line and calling at all those stations enroute?

Could someone in the know please shed some light on this issue! Cheers.

[XPTE]

Sounds like an "I say...I say" joke,

"I say...I say, At Pbro, which platforms do the KX-Pbro trains usually depart and terminate at?"

I don't know! At Pbro, which platforms do the KX-Pbro trains usually depart and terminate at?

I have seen them stood in Platform 3. I would guess depending on frequency, lay over time & other traffic, 2 or 3 would a good bet

OK, cheers.

[davep]

Only a guess, but the WAGN service may be put onto the slow line at (say) Stevenage to let the GNER service pass on the fast line.

[XPTE]

Only a guess, but the WAGN service may be put onto the slow line at (say) Stevenage to let the GNER service pass on the fast line.

Hmmm..no it can't be that. As the 1006 service isn't due to arrive at Stevenage until about 1040. And that would then give the GNER 1010 service just 15 mins to reach Peterborough which is impossible. And if the 1006 operated on the slow line for any part of the Kings Cross-Hitchin line it wouldn't be able to keep to the timetable because of the 75mph speed limit on the slow line. I'm baffled by this. It's no big problem, just something I've noticed when I've done some work on my new activity today.

The only solution I can think of to this is that the 1010 GNER service runs over the Hertford line flyover just past Alexandra Park and runs along a line there to Hertford and rejoins the main east coast mainline between Knebworth and Stevenage. This alternate route must be fairly clear I would imagine. This has to be the answer surely?!

[Tepic]

WAGN services get put all over the place. My sister drives over there and regularly get put on the slow lines.

I think you'll probably find they have plenty of performance allowence in the WTT to take it into account.

[DrkAngel]

They mainly run in and out of platform 3 but they cannot get access to the slow line, some stop in platform 1 when there's alot of GNER traffic and the late night trains from london terminate in platform 4 or 5 so that they can reverse straight into the Nene carriage sidings for overnight stabling.

Thats just a quick overview from my own observations so there could be others with a better idea of the operations by them

[simuk]

Platforms 1 (the bay), and 3 are the main ones, but they do use platform 2 as well. Also if you get there early in the morning the WAGN trains approach the station from the North! Interesting for an early morning activity... means that they are pre-ready for the numerous commuter trains heading towards london (as it's the first journey of the new day for each unit) and that they don't block the line for other services... it's quite novel to watch for the train approaching from the North when Peterborough is as far North as they go

[Deltic9000]

Also, something which is confusing me. Looking at the WAGN timetables for Kings Cross-Peterborough, a WAGN service leaves Kings Cross at 1006 for Peterborough calling at Finsbury Park, Potters Bar, Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City, Welwyn North, Knebworth, Stevenage, Hitchin and then all stop to Peterborough. All WAGN services according to the Video 125 Flying Scotsman video use the fast lines between Kings Cross and Hitchin before transferring to the slow line up to Huntingdon and then back on the fast line to Peterborough. They wouldn't be able to use the slow line anyway because of the regular local stopping services which operate between Kings Cross & Welwyn Garden City. The 1006 service is due for arrival in Hitchin at 1046. Sounds all ok. But according to the GNER timetable there is a service that leaves Kings Cross at 1010 and is due for arrival in Peterborough at 1055. How can this train possibly arrive at Pbro by 1055 if it is going to be held up by the earlier 1006 WAGN service running on the fast line and calling at all those stations enroute?

Could someone in the know please shed some light on this issue! Cheers.

The secret is not to believe unconditionally everything you hear on Videos!

The 10:06 from KX calls at Finsbury Park at 10:11 and is normally routed on the down slow as far as Alexandra Palace, which gives the 10:10 GNER plenty of time to pass it (normally in the Hornsey area).

On the 'rare' occasions that the 10:10 is running late, the 10:06 WAGN will be kept on the down slow until it's overtaken - as it's a semi-fast it can be run this way as far as Potters Bar without significant delay, and could run all the way to WGC without major delays. There's quite a lot of flexibility for the signalmen at KX, as long as they're on the ball...

[davep]

Deltic2002 - I did say ...............(say) Stevenage ............ which meant it could be somewhere else