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Which is better......?

Poll ended at Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:26 pm

Virgin Voyager class 220
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Virgin Super Voyager class 221
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14%
GNER/EUROSTAR Class 373 / White Rose
9
64%
Class 43 HST
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21%
 
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i do not know how many of you have seen this already.....
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GB Railways to invest £36.5 million in new rolling stock for Hull Trains Unit

GB Railways Group PLC said it is to invest £36.5 million into an investment programme in new rolling stock for its Hull Trains unit.

Under a 22.0 million deal Hull Trains will buy 4 Bombardier, class 222-type, 125mph four-car sets for delivery in mid 2005.

In a separate 14.5 lnm deal, Hull Trains will acquire 4 Bombardier class 170 three-car sets for delivery in early 2004.

These investments follow the approval by the Rail Regulator of a long-term track access agreement for operation on the East Coast Mainline between London King's Cross and Hull, Hull Trains Managing Director, Jim Morgan, said
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NEW TRAINS FOR HULL TRAINS AS COMPANY ANNOUNCES £36 MILLION INVESTMENT

Hull Trains has announced a £36 million investment programme in new rolling stock for its Hull to London route. The new trains will bring faster services and more seats on the company's highly successful route which links Hull, Selby and Doncaster with London Kings Cross.

Four new Class 222/1 diesel trains, with a top speed of 125mph, are to be supplied by Wakefield-based Bombardier Transportation by May 2005. They will offer passengers a high quality environment, including air-conditioned First Class and Standard accommodation, excellent on-board catering facilities and on-train passenger information. The deal financed by HSBC is worth £21.5 million.

With four carriages, the Class 222s will offer more seats than the present three-coach Class 170s and their higher speeds will enable Hull to London journey times to be cut by around 20 minutes.

Hull Trains is also adding to its fleet in preparation for expansion (in an agreement financed by Porterbrook Leasing). Four new 100mph 3-carriage Class 170s, worth £14.5 million, are also being acquired from Bombardier to be built at its factory in Derby. Similar in specification to the trains currently operated by Hull Trains, these Class 170s will also offer First Class and Standard accommodation as well as a buffet.

They will replace Hull Trains' current Class 170s from March 2004, but when the Class 222s arrive it is intended that these new Class 170s will move to other routes over which Hull Trains is currently negotiating to operate.

Jim Morgan, Hull Trains' Managing Director says: - "We are delighted to be able to announce this major investment package which will be a major step in the expansion plans we have for the company. Everyone at Hull Trains has worked tremendously hard to ensure that after just two years of operating we already have an enviable reliability and punctuality record."

Since our first train ran in September 2000 we have successfully grown the rail travel market between East Yorkshire and London by 10%."

Our commitment to excellence in customer service has also led to us being short-listed for numerous awards. The new trains will enable us to further enhance the service we can offer our customers."

Keith Howard, Commercial Director, Porterbrook said "We have worked with Hull Trains since it first started its Open Access operations. We are delighted to be able to further support them as they continue to grow the market for direct rail services to this important east coast city. Hull Trains is now the third operator to take advantage of our speculative build programme for the Class 170 fleet, which will enable them to introduce the new trains as early as 2004."

Editor's Notes

Hull Trains is an "open access" passenger train operator providing train services between Hull, Selby, Doncaster and London. The company has recently signed a 10 year track access agreement with Railtrack, which guarantees timetable slots for its services until 2010.


I mean what is the difference between the class 220/221/222 ???

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n863dwt wrote:I mean what is the difference between the class 220/221/222???
220 - 4 Car Virgin XC unit.
221 - 5 Car Tilting Virgin XC unit.
222- 9 Car Midland Main Line unit.

Apart from these facts there is no other real difference between the classes.
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eddief wrote:
n863dwt wrote:I mean what is the difference between the class 220/221/222???
220 - 4 Car Virgin XC unit.
221 - 5 Car Tilting Virgin XC unit.
222- 9 Car Midland Main Line unit.

Apart from these facts there is no other real difference between the classes.
But a press release i read said that mml was buyuing the 222 in 3/4 and 9 carraige units....!
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mml website says they'll have 4 and 9 car formations. or it did last time i looked. i'm not sure what the difference really is beteen a 220 and a 4 car 222, though.
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I remember the 222 will have more doors than the 220.
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wow.... a whole new class for a different number of doors? if they were 220/5 or something that would make sense. but then the 221s ought to be 220/4 or something too... they're all pants, anyway. mml should stick with HSTs
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Maybe the top speed, acceleration, cab layout, length, weight is also different.
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The 222s will be the same basic coaching stock and engine design as the 220 and 221 classes, but with different noses because Virgin have copywrited the Voyager front end.
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they're all .! - so who really cares?!!!

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In MSTS currently the difference between the 220 & 221 is just a paint job. Also as there is not enough info on the new nose cone, i think thats the reason the MML is the same as the Virgin version.

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Kevo00 wrote:The 222s will be the same basic coaching stock and engine design as the 220 and 221 classes, but with different noses because Virgin have copywrited the Voyager front end.
If it was like that, connex could go and copyright their CIG's front, C2C copywriting their 357's front, SWT copywriting 442 nose(pig), etc...
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LucaZone wrote:In MSTS currently the difference between the 220 & 221 is just a paint job.

220's have different bogies to 221's, but modelwise thats it. MTSTS don't do tilt so thats your lot.
If you meant 220 and 222, then I would agree theres nothing like enough detail been made public yet to do a even remotely proper model.
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connex can't copyright the 4cig, cos swt and south central have them too. i think gatwick express should copyright their new trains to prevent any more ever being made that look like that.

aren't c2c trains exactly like 170s externally? and i believe that chiltern operate very similar class 168 trains. that's what the number said at marylebone, anyway.
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yourdomingo wrote:connex can't copyright the 4cig, cos swt and south central have them too. i think gatwick express should copyright their new trains to prevent any more ever being made that look like that.

aren't c2c trains exactly like 170s externally? and i believe that chiltern operate very similar class 168 trains. that's what the number said at marylebone, anyway.
Yeah, 357 look like 170 and 168/2. So maybe South central can copyright their 375 and then almost every train on the BR network has a word COPYRIGHT in front. :wink:
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So can I copyright the design of my Audi then ? I doubt it very much, as that already belongs to the person who designed it.

The point you are missing, is that the customer is not the person who designed the train, therefore they have no right to any of the design.
Therefore SWT,c2c, Anglia etc... can't do anything with the design of the turbostar shape, as that design belongs to Adtranz (I think).

IF Virgin actually had something to do with the design of the Voyager nose, other than just saying "Oh Mr Bombardier, that looks ok, we'll have 100 of them, all in Red and Silver thanks" then they might have the right to copyright the design, which I guess would mean that they could stop Bombadier from using it on anything else.
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