Transferring MSTS from XP laptop to Vista laptop

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Transferring MSTS from XP laptop to Vista laptop

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This query possibly refers to General and Vista, so apologies if in wrong area.
Those who follow the forums may have noticed that most of my recent threads have related to the use of RouteRiter, and resolving apparent problems with so called missing files. Rightly or wrongly I have attempted to resolve them including odd posts on the MT forums. Basically it would appear that the missing files are typically surplus to requirements - although that isn't immediately obvious to we lesser mortals, but its all part of the learning curve I suppose.
I have also now paid for and downloaded programs such as ConBuilder - now got to react to the latest missive from them. i have downloaded numerous tutorials from various sites - HD space is disappearing rapidly. Use 7Zip for backup and storage, but it would appear that I will also need WinZip for so called "spanned" files - I haven't the courage to ask what they are about.
Anyway here is the question - although it may only require confirmation.

Having used the XP laptop to resolve problems without worrying about Vista complications, I am now looking at transferring everything on the XP laptop to the Vista laptop - better spec, etc.

I assume that I need to reinstall MSTS into the Vista laptop, and then copy some or all of the subfolders for MSTS from the XP to the Vista? I suspect registry problems may arise if one transfers all of the MSTS files direct from the XP laptop?


Once this is complete I intend to expand the available routes using the various community CDs and downloads - one by one as recommended, and of course make use of the activities and stock also downloaded.

Ruf

PS - Looking forward to Llandudno on Saturday 9 August 2008. :D I hope that any questions will be sensible! :roll:
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Re: Transferring MSTS from XP laptop to Vista laptop

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When planning the transfer from one laptop to another, forget all about one being an XP machilne and the other being a Vista machine. Vista does NOT affect the way you copy things from one PC to another.

What you need to do on your Vista PC is:
1) Install MSTS with no route.
2) Refer to the threads in the MSTS and Vista forum to change the administration setting on train.exe, and modify the file permissions for the Train Simulator folder.
3) If you have TrainStore....unstore everything
4) Copy the total contents of the Train Simulator folder from your XP to Vista machines.
5) Install Train Store on your Vista laptop.

Things should work okay. Easy!!!
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Rufus

You got it right in one :) Start off by doing a clean installation of msts on your Vista laptop, this will ensure that all the necessary registry entries are in place and in the right place. Next I "think" you can just copy your entire msts folder on the XP machine to the new Vista machine, overwriting the originals and it should work ok. You will need to give the msts folder on Vista Admin rights and make sure those are passed down to all the included files - right click on the msts folder, select properties, on the security tab click edit and for each user change the security level to full control. I think it will ask you if you want it to apply to all subdirectories, if it does you should say yes.

Make sure you have unstored everything, if you are using trainstore, before doing the above so that you copy everything. Install trainstore again on the new machine.

Good luck - it should work but keep your original installation just in case. If it all goes wrong you can just delete the Vista copy and start over :)

Looking forward to seeing you at Llandudno

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I think it is a little more complicated than that. I just looked at my works Vista laptop which only has Thames Mersey, Dorset Coast and Bristol - Swansea on it. I also have the MT Desiro Pack and a bunch of the other stuff like Newroads, xtracks and UKFS.

Newroads and the MT Desiro pack have written stuff into the registry and I think (from memory) that the MT routes do as well. Without those entries some of the other MT official reskins etc. don't work. I am sure I had this problem when I cloned my XP installation over to another XP installation when I got a new PC so it is not Vista specific.

Now this is not a dig at MT - on the contrary it makes good sense to have entries in the registry containing installation paths etc. I understand it can have interesting side-effects for Mini-routes but I don't use them.
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Hi Ruf, Just done that exercise and it's a nightmare.Run Everything in addmin mode,I am finding Example .downloaded GNhi-line from Trainsims site round about 1.20gbWhen I installed it and checked it with Route_riter it had not load the contents of the paths folder,I have lost count of the different files I have had to manually copy and paste to get things to Work.So Check and double check and best of luck :)

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Well thank you to everyone who replied - I shall copy the replies into a word document to make myself an aide memoire. The dearth of little grey cells means the memory .... er, what was I going to say? :-?
I will of course have zipped and backed up everything, and will retain some of the stuff on the XP - got to do something interesting during lunch, and dare I say it during other parts of the working day. Useful time to set the zipping/backing up going!
I must admit that I started setting up the Vista earlier in the year but decided to get a better understanding of MSTS, etc first, and stepping back was beneficial for me. :)
The recent thread on resolution has now given me something else to think about.
My long term aims are a whole new set of threads away ..... :-?

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Hi Rufskins, do worry my questions won't be stupid, you can take it from that I will be there as I'm starting a holiday that weekend calling in at the North Wales Show and then exploring LLandudno Junction to Blanaeu FFestiniog and Porthmadog on the train on the Monday.
The next day I will be driving to Aberystwyth before again using the train I will go up the Cambrian Coast to Pwllhelli on the wednesday and then try out the Devils Bridge Narrow Gauge line on the Thursday before heading back to Geordieland on the Friday.

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Easilyconfused wrote:I think it is a little more complicated than that. I just looked at my works Vista laptop which only has Thames Mersey, Dorset Coast and Bristol - Swansea on it. I also have the MT Desiro Pack and a bunch of the other stuff like Newroads, xtracks and UKFS.

Newroads and the MT Desiro pack have written stuff into the registry and I think (from memory) that the MT routes do as well. Without those entries some of the other MT official reskins etc. don't work. I am sure I had this problem when I cloned my XP installation over to another XP installation when I got a new PC so it is not Vista specific.

Now this is not a dig at MT - on the contrary it makes good sense to have entries in the registry containing installation paths etc. I understand it can have interesting side-effects for Mini-routes but I don't use them.
I never noticed that before John.

So the easiest solution I can see is to copy the MSTS installation on XP and if the MT stock and New roads works ok just leave it alone.

When I set up my system to access MSTS from a single drive from both XP & Vista, from the original XP installation , I left the files in ....// Train Simulator alone,apart from the MSTSBIN files and dlls, copying only the folders across, MT stock and New Roads work fine.

Now I can install new stock/activities from either OS without problem,
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If you search the registry of your original computer for Making Tracks you will find loads of entries for the items you have installed in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE - I have eight separate hives starting with Making! You can export all of these as .reg files, and then import them into the registry of your new computer by double clicking them. If you have installed in a different drive/location on the new computer, you might need to edit the files to reflect this before importing them.

Have a look through HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE and you will find entries for lots of other MSTS installations, like New Roads.
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More information to paste into my aide memoire.

I have only loaded a few add-ons into the XP machine, so the MT registry action shouldn't be too onerous.

I intend to start the process after my week in Portmadog and visit to THE SHOW on the Saturday.

To scampispeedway: I spent some 5 years in Newcastle/Cramlington from 1974 to 1979, where I was carrying out design for the Monument station on the Tyne & Wear Metro. I drove through two years ago - difficult to recognise now. I was an active spotter in those days, enjoying many a trip with the RCTS. Apologies for going off thread, but finally "Howay the Lads".
By the way the run upto Devil's Bridge is great. We are going for a run on the Ffestiniog and probably the short run on the Welsh Highland in Porthmadog. When the whole route is complete what a grand ride it should be!

I'm currently driving trains, addings pictures to the Details screen and building up my reference library for both real and virtual railways. There's so much to take in - and of course there's always MSTSBin!

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Hi Ruf, Here are a couple of sites that you may find useful in the future.
http://www.trainformations.co.uk/
http://msts.banal.net/catalog/catalog.html
http://www.railserve.com/Computers/MSTS/Utilities/
Just save them to your Favorites.

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ronald parkin wrote:Hi Ruf, Here are a couple of sites that you may find useful in the future.
http://www.trainformations.co.uk/
http://msts.banal.net/catalog/catalog.html
http://www.railserve.com/Computers/MSTS/Utilities/
Just save them to your Favorites.
I had come across the first but not the last two. Will add to favourites and explore at a later date. Just registered with Train-Sim.com and will peruse their downloads in order to assess their value? Also been looking at 3DCanvasPro as a means of creating my own models - talk about running before walking, mind you I'm only just crawling relatively speaking.

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Try the free 3DCanvas version out first before shelling out on the Pro version....it'll give you chance to see if you can get on with the product....unless you've been there already.

Note that the free version doesn't have the MSTS/KRS export capability in it.
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Thanks for the advice - have already downloaded the freeware version of 3DCanvas.
Firstly I will sort out the transfer, followed by assesing the value of the various utilities I have downloaded from sites too numerous ....
The obvious pluses are TRAINSTORE, ROUTERITER, CONBUILDER (when I have the latest version - waiting for my email to use after installing new version), SHAPE VIEWER, SFM, TGATOOLS and HORACE, et al.
What about the value of ACTIVITY ANALYSER?
Are there other utilities - whilst not necessarily essential - can be used to improve performance, appearance, understanding and the like? For example, there appears to be something to alter the appearance of MSTS Route Editor! Are they just things that would be nice to have?
I have tried to download all tutorials/threads that ought to improve my understanding, etc. All I need to do is actually read and try. I see the XP laptop as acting as a test bed, and hence minimising disaster on the Vista laptop. Has there been method in my extravagance?

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Hi Ruf, I think that you should get ACTIVITY ANALYSER, another one of the great utilities for when you download any activities. Then start reading and exploring otherwise All work and no play makes for a runaway :D

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