Files ARE missing in Toddington

[dipper6]

Following on from my previous thread that I thought there were files missing in Toddington (& others).

I downloaded the files for Toddington.
Then I put the files in 1 folder and ran the .exe to "join" them.
I uncompresed the files into the folders I made for Stock and route.

Then I made the MS Train Sim folder with nothing in that folder, nothing at all, into which
I installed the CD version. It installed correctly, creating the necessary folders.

On comparing the files, there were some that were not in the CD,
and there were some that were not in the downloads.
I used the size of the folders to determine if there were any missing files, as indeed there were.

That must the reason I could not get the routes to run.
I'm about to download the other CD equivalent downloads and carry out the same procedure.

I'm thinking that the CDs are written at high speed & that can and does cause problems.
I've read in 1 or 2 forums that some other people have problems with their CDs, I wonder
if this is their problem.

[Easilyconfused]

I presume you are talking about http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 38&t=80118 ?

So let's have a look at that :

Shape file jp1carcrossing.s was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\JAPAN1\shapes\jp1carcrossing.s
Shape definition file jp1carcrossing.sd was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\JAPAN1\shapes\jp1carcrossing.sd
Shape file ukcrossgate.s was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\EUROPE1\shapes\ukcrossgate.s
Shape definition file ukcrossgate.sd was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\EUROPE1\shapes\ukcrossgate.sd
Shape file us2bsigdouble.s is missing from your route, no alternative is available in the other installed routes.
Shape file us2bsignal3.s is missing from your route, no alternative is available in the other installed routes.
Shape file us2crossx2nbar.s was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\EUROPE1\shapes\us2crossx2nbar.s
Shape definition file us2crossx2nbar.sd was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\EUROPE1\shapes\us2crossx2nbar.sd

Well all those are MS supplied files so won't be on any UKTS route CDs - the batch file copies them across - you did run the batch file I presume ?

eb_ashfordst.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ctbboard.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ctuk.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ebbboard.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_jfbboard.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_jtbboard.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ssplat1lille.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ssplat23lille.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ssplat45lille.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_ssplat67lille.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_tgvamst.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_tgvhazest.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_tgvthst.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_tgvthst2.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_tunfrlights.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508
eb_tunuklights.s Contains an invalid ESD of 508

Those look like EuropeanBhan files. Do you have any other their products loaded ?

Texture file jp1crossinglights.ace was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\JAPAN1\Textures\jp1crossinglights.ace
Texture file jp1chevrons.ace was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\JAPAN1\Textures\jp1chevrons.ace
Shape Definition (SD) file us2bsigdouble.sd is missing from your route, no alternative is available in the other installed routes.
Shape Definition (SD) file us2bsignal3.sd is missing from your route, no alternative is available in the other installed routes.
Terrtex file browndirt.ace was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\USA1\Terrtex\browndirt.ace
Terrtex\Snow file browndirt.ace was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\USA1\Terrtex\Snow\browndirt.ace
Terrtex file brownscrub.ace was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\USA1\Terrtex\brownscrub.ace
Terrtex\Snow file brownscrub.ace was missing from your route, an alternative was used instead - E:\MS Train Sim\Routes\USA1\Terrtex\Snow\brownscrub.ace

More MS default files by the look of things.

What exactly are you trying to prove or achieve here ? If there were problems with the download or CD routes then there would be a ton of threads in here and the downloads or CDs would have been updated.

[dipper6]

John,
I have spent 2 months trying to get these routes to run with no success.
I have finally found the source of the failure to run to be the CD's.

Do I need to go into all that I tried out, I have posted it.
A few days ago I emailed UKTrains & I was told the CD's are OK, and that I should try Train Store.
I do have Train Store. Anyway, I installed Toddington imediately after I installed MSTS so there was not a large "overloading" in MSTS.

If files are missing there is a problem, so I went through the process of eliminating my end, that is my PC.
I can quite safely say that it is not my PC. And Route Riter verified there are files missing.

That leaves just one part of the equation, and that is the CD's.
That's what I am getting at.
The CD's are faulty.
I offered to buy the CD's again if they could be written at 4 or 6x speed as I considered that they were written at high speed and a slow speed should result in good CD's. That was rejected.
CD's written at high speed are renowned for giving problems.

Anyway, I have downloaded the routes and all I have to do is combine them with the CD's.

BTW, I found a few minutes ago a zip file that will not unzip correctly, it extracts the folder and nothing else. I downloaded it 3 times to verify that the file is faulty.
It's "North West England, file UKTS_15031_NWE.ZIP"

I get the impression you are annoyed with all this, that is not my intention, all I was doing was trying to get a fix, then I was reporting I had found the problem.

[Easilyconfused]

If files are missing there is a problem, so I went through the process of eliminating my end, that is my PC.
I can quite safely say that it is not my PC. And Route Riter verified there are files missing.

That leaves just one part of the equation, and that is the CD's.
That's what I am getting at.
The CD's are faulty.
I offered to buy the CD's again if they could be written at 4 or 6x speed as I considered that they were written at high speed and a slow speed should result in good CD's. That was rejected.
CD's written at high speed are renowned for giving problems.

Anyway, I have downloaded the routes and all I have to do is combine them with the CD's.

BTW, I found a few minutes ago a zip file that will not unzip correctly, it extracts the folder and nothing else. I downloaded it 3 times to verify that the file is faulty.
It's "North West England, file UKTS_15031_NWE.ZIP"

I get the impression you are annoyed with all this, that is not my intention, all I was doing was trying to get a fix, then I was reporting I had found the problem.

Taking your points in order.

1. The files missing from your other thread are not part of route downloads or CDs - they are MS default objects indicating they are not present in the expected places on your PC. There is a possibility that the batch file included in the download or CD is wrong but then we would have a lot of complaints so that is unlikely.
2. The CDs are not faulty - again we would have lots of complaints. As part of my work I ship in excess of 3000 CDs/DVDs a year written at upto 52x speed on my laptop or desktop at work and I don't see these sort of errors.
3. That NWE file you quote is not a standalone file - it needs the full NWE spanned zip set and Winzip 8.1 or higher to unzip. It will NOT unzip using the Windows XP built in zip functionality.
4. No - I am not annoyed. Frustrated - yes. A lot of effort has been put in to make the download and install process as simple as possible for members. The members of the support team on the helpdesk and members on the forums go to great lengths to help people with problems but when problems are reported we do expect people to follow the advice given.

I am sure we can get you up and running with a little help from both sides.

When I downloaded Toddington it worked first time for me with no errors or missing files.

[dipper6]

Hi John,
thanks for your reply.
BTW, I am not good at explaining myself so please don't take offence, absolutely none is intended.
also, I am not arguing against you, I'm only putting forward my findings.

I changed 6 hard drives, I tried another CD/DVD rom, I installed XP home 3 times,
I had the PC apart to check all the bits were securely in place, I installed MSTS 3 times,
each time I installed them I made images with True Image 11.
I tried installing the MSTS add-ons in different sequences, this one first, that one second etc.

I saved the CDs to my hard drive in the event they may get damaged, so far none have.
I installed from the CDs. No good.
Then I tried installing from the saves in the HDrive. No good.
Then I installed again from the hard drive, but this time, after the install form the Hard Drive of Toddington & TGV, I installed over them from the CD in a DVD writer, this is slower so maybe a better chance of getting all the files installed.
Success. Yes, I know I am contradicting myself, but this is exactly what occurred. I am being completely honest with you, in the files are missing in the CD how come they were installed.

They all worked. After I install MSTS I defrag it with my trusty O&O defragger then when I install an add-on I defrag again and only that add-on is defragged, not MSTS again. Now I run it to see if it works OK.
I also make another True Image about every 5 add-on installations, so that if one doesn't work all I have to do is restore the last image.

I learned that if the T-section is updated to the latest version then add-ons can be installed in any order, that is by the year of release. If T-section is not updated and the original is left in MSTS, I found some would not work when installed in any order..
So I after I got your CDs to work I installed some of the full price ones in any order.
I got train.exe crashes.
I restored the latter images, but, your add-ons would now not work.
I had to re-install XP & MSTS.
As I tried various things I got more "crashes". I asked around and got the info about T-Section.
Anyway, That solved that.

Since then your CDs (just indicating they are UKTrainsims) have not worked.
As I had tried everything I could think of, I turned my attention to the CD's.
As I posted I downloaded the Route & Stock files.
Well that is explained in the starter post in this thread.
that's why I am / was thinking the CD's are faulty, rather, files are missing.

Now, if the CDs are OK, why were there files in both the downloaded Route & stock zips
not in the CD.
I run Directory Opus, a super file manager, it has two "panes".
I had the downloaded files in one and the files from the CD that I had installed in a TRAIN SIM folder with nothing installed it, not even one file. Then I successfully installed Toddington into it, it created the required folders. I put each set of files in Dir Opus in the right pane.

So, the route files from the download in one pane & the same from the CD install in the other pane.
The sizes of the folders were not the same.
I selected all the files in from the CD and copied them to the download, it did add files into it.
There were definitely files missing, but how & why.

The sizes of the folders were yet not the same size.
Now I copied the files the other way, and files were added to the CDs files.
Now the folders were the same size.
What I am for doing -unless I'm told different - , is that I installed a spare new CD/DVD rom drive - a Sony/Nec - only this morning, just on the off chance that the not long new Plextor 130 rom drive is the cause of all this, I'm once more going to install XP Home again, my activations are almost up, then MSTS and try installing Toddington and copy the downloaded files into it and see what happens.

This is really the last thing I can come up with, as far as I know I have done all I can.
Hang on, I just remembered. I have an ASUS P5AD2-E Premium motherboard.
Last week after I once again installed XP Home, I installed the older ChipSet version from the ASUS CD.
Then I decided to update them, I got the correct Intel set.
Following the instructions I went into System, hardware etc and looked for an entry.
there was no such entry.
I'm wondering if they are installed, what symptons would there be if they were not.
If they are not would that be my problem.

[Bigant]

Do you have the default routes installed?? in your route folder?, just a thought.

Don

[dipper6]

Yes Don, I have.

I have just wiped the hard drive, & installed the new Sony CD rom drive.

Then I installed XP Home. when it was done I installed The Radeon 7.5 Driver,
I have most versions from 7.1 up to 8, I decided to install 7.5 as these earlier versions
are thought to be better than the later ones.
First the driver, then Catalyst.
On restart, the MON.exe in Catalyst won't initialise.
I had no option but to uninstall it. I tried it again, same result.

If it can go wrong it is going wrong, ever get a couple of weeks likethat.
So, it seems I can't get around that, so another install of XP.

BTW, I only install SP2 from a CD I got & I do not install any further patches because I have not
set up the XP Home for the internet, as then I'll require an anti-virus program - NOD32, firewall anti-malware etc. I only want to install the most essential programs.

Before I got to work on the new install of XP I got my Cambrian Coast 2 route from USA, it did work and it looks very good, except that the station in Barmouth is at the wrong side of the level crossing, or is it in that time period. Nowt to worry about.

[mickrik]

Hi there,

I know this sounds old hat and I keep repeating it. Only because I know it can make a difference.

When you install routes switch off the Spyware and Antivirus as they can interfere with the installation. Wether download or CD.

mickrik

[dipper6]

I don't have any anti-virus or anti-malware or anything in that area, I am using XP home only for the Train Sims, I have an Icy Box mobile caddy & I swap the drives in 10 seconds, Vista is my main OS, as I'm using now.

I came in as I have noticed something.
normally when MSTS has finished reading the files from the 2nd disk, it works on some files doing it's thing.
It did not do that when I installed it an hour ago, and come to think of it, it has been doing that on previous installs, but I didn't pay much attention to it.

About 30 minutes ago I ran two activities from each default route in MSTS & they were OK.
So I installed Toddington.
I got "Train World Initialization Failed", on all but two activities as I have done with this route for 2 months except for only 1 occasion.
I ran Route Riter, it gave a lot of missing files in all routes. I had considered posting them but there were a lot, anyway, I'd bet I'll get those again.

[dipper6]

In the post above yours I said I don't use anti-virus or such like in The MSTS setup, i haven't set up the 'net as I am keeping programs to the bare essentials in XP.

I may be forwarding this a second time, late last evening I made a post, but it's possible I didn't actually hit the submit button.

Anyway, I think I found the problem.
Last evening I again installed MSTS. At the end of the install from disk 2, it usually does it's thing with some files, and when that is finished then the installation finishes.

not now. When the files are installed to the hard drive that's it. I don't know what MSTS does to the files after they are transferred to the hard drive, but that may explain why files are missing. And, I recall noticing that behaviour in previous installs but I paid no attention to it.

I also ran Route Riter and it found a lot of files missing in all routes, including Toddington that I installed to see the situation with it.
Toddington gave me "Train World Initialization Failed"

therefore if the above is correct, "Files are NOT missing in Toddington"

I apologise most sincerely for that, but I really did think there were files missing.
Now to work out how to get MSTS correctly installed. I'm going to bypass the hard drive caddy first to rule that out or if it is the problem.

Again, I'm sorry lads.

[emufarmer3]

Hi Dipper

A bit late in come into this thread

GWR Toddington has all its shape files enclosed and does not require any from any other routes, "ie" there is no installme.bat

What you do require because of your "Train World Initialization Failed" is to install UK FineScale V3.1.6 . ID 11889 from the UKTS downloads and New Roads ID 6254 or ID 6256 plus install the latest Tsection File ID: 6698

Regards

Frank

[dipper6]

Frank,
VERY many thanks, can't thank you enough.
I'm off to get them, that could also fix problems on 2 or 3 other CD's I have.

[phill70]

Latest Tsection is

MSTS Standardized global tsection.dat file Build 00042UK [325489 bytes] - Tsection42UK.zip File ID: 13758 Date: 05 Jan 2012 - 25066 Downloads

this one

TSECTION.DAT build 31 [209435 bytes] - tsection31.zip File ID: 6698 Date: 01 Oct 2005 - 8938 Downloads

is very much out of date.

[LeeEAS]

I have the downloaded version of GWR Toddingham, my version is running fine.

[dipper6]

Frank put me on the right track, it's working now, as are all my UKTrainsim CDs.
Yup, I got the latest versions of the files.

thanks lads for all your replies, very much appreciated.

Edit,
All the UKTrainsim CDs are successfully installed and working - except Dorset Coast that I am leaving 'till last -and I'm now installing my full price CD's.

Ian.