Pick-n-Mix Update from EB

ajax103 · Post by **ajax103** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:51 pm

I' got this though my email address earlier on and thought I share it with you guys,

Read on for more details...

"Hi to all our customers,

We have just up loaded a selection of EuropeanBahn Pick-n-Mix products. Yes, you can purchase just the route, with no locos or activities, or should you wish you can purchase the loco pack on its own. The route comes with a PDF version of the manual so you can still read about the full product, but if you are like many on the Internet who cannot wait for the full box product to arrive we have also up-loaded a pack with activities for any of the box products.
Products available now are East Coast Express Part 1, Part 2, and installer with activate for both routes, and finally a "Loco Pack" so you can achieve the EuropeanBahn Pick-n-Mix.

We would add that you should not use this system if you own any of the named products in the box version, as they are the same. However for those of you who just cannot wait for the postman and do not have these titles it is a very good way to get your hands on them with-in minutes.

New Product Update: West Coast Mainline is still in the product stage, and is coming near to the end of development, but what with production methods of today and the summer holiday looming up on us.

You will not see the title until July/August, but when it arrives we hope you will agree it will be well worth waiting for.

Have a great summer!

Best Regards to you all, from the EB team."

NiallGray · Post by **NiallGray** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:23 pm

They seem to be hosting pics of ECE part 2 that contains items that don't come with part 2. (ie Blue/Grey HST, 101 DMU and what I think is a class 40).

gswindale · Post by **gswindale** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:54 am

Hmm - not so sure it's a good deal should you want the lot:
ECE 1 Route £12.95
ECE 2 Route £12.95
ECE 1 Acts £4.95
ECE 2 Acts £4.95
ECE 1&2 Stock £8.95
Grand Total £44.75

I didn't see any mention of discounts for buying the lot this way, yet if you simply want to d/l ECE1 & 2, contact simulations have them available for £39.98 combined.

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:47 pm

And I don't see what the problem is with that its surely not designed for that is it ?
If you DO want the lot, then you buy the lot (even if by download), surely the whole idea of the pick and mix is that if you don't want ALL of it you can buy the bits you do want without buying the rest of it.
ie If you dont like the stock and are happy with the freeware alternatives, you only buy the route, and save almost half the cost.

As a concept it seems reasonable.

ajax103 · Post by **ajax103** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:35 pm

buffy500 wrote:And I don't see what the problem is with that its surely not designed for that is it ?
If you DO want the lot, then you buy the lot (even if by download), surely the whole idea of the pick and mix is that if you don't want ALL of it you can buy the bits you do want without buying the rest of it.
ie If you dont like the stock and are happy with the freeware alternatives, you only buy the route, and save almost half the cost.

As a concept it seems reasonable.

I agree, it's reasonable.

gswindale · Post by **gswindale** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:34 pm

Indeed it is reasonable if you only want parts of the routes, but should you want to download the full package, then it's not the cheapest option, which, being direct from the route producers, you might expect.

Basically all I'm saying is if you want the complete route, stock and activities, then buying from europeanbahn should cost the same as buying elsewhere for the D/L edition.

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:38 am

gswindale wrote:Basically all I'm saying is if you want the complete route, stock and activities, then buying from europeanbahn should cost the same as buying elsewhere for the D/L edition.

You are not getting the same version though so wh should the price be the same ?
I can buy a new car from a garage for £10K, but if I buy the car one component at a time, it'll cost far more than £10K, this is fairly similar.
If you want all of it then thats not the best way to get it.

NiallGray · Post by **NiallGray** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:16 am

Just looked at site and noticed they are still showing the WRONG stock items for ECE Part 2 in the pictures...

Not unless there was a 101 and Blue/Grey HST in it and I never saw it!

250787 · Post by **250787** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:22 am

Such as good idea that have bought ECE1 and 2 routes and then used freeware stock and activities

Matt

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:41 am

gswindale wrote:Hmm - not so sure it's a good deal should you want the lot:
ECE 1 Route £12.95
ECE 2 Route £12.95
ECE 1 Acts £4.95
ECE 2 Acts £4.95
ECE 1&2 Stock £8.95
Grand Total £44.75

I didn't see any mention of discounts for buying the lot this way, yet if you simply want to d/l ECE1 & 2, contact simulations have them available for £39.98 combined.

Cheaper than the asking prices when new;

ECE p1 24.99
ECE p2 24.99
= £ 49.98
- 44.75
= 5.23

imagine what you could buy with £5.23 a route off UKTS and still have 73p left, Bargain!!!

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:42 am

oh yeah and the folk paying 49.98 are those that bought part on when released expecting pt2 to be cheaper.

Some we win some we lose, i was one of the unfortunate ones.

gswindale · Post by **gswindale** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:56 pm

salopiangrowler wrote: Cheaper than the asking prices when new;

ECE p1 24.99
ECE p2 24.99
= £ 49.98
- 44.75
= 5.23

imagine what you could buy with £5.23 a route off UKTS and still have 73p left, Bargain!!!

That's true, but downloads of the full route should be cheaper than buying it in a box imo as there is no packaging to produce etc.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:05 pm

if they were cheaper all the others that buy from the likes of PC world would be moaning and Computer game shops would lose business, if everyone went on EB, needless to say the website server would crash also so keeping the Hard product a similar price to the soft downloadable product is reasonable i think, aslong as people are allow to copy onto disk to keep as a backup.

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:24 pm

salopiangrowler wrote:if they were cheaper all the others that buy from the likes of PC world would be moaning and Computer game shops would lose business

You need to check the threads about this in the KRS forum - industry insiders reckon that a rather small percentage of their customers are online.

salopiangrowler wrote: if everyone went on EB, needless to say the website server would crash

That is unfounded speculation - I have never known the EB site to be down when I have tried to access it. Unlike Amazon that blew me out the other night when I tried to place a 3 figure order.

salopiangrowler wrote:so keeping the Hard product a similar price to the soft downloadable product is reasonable i think, aslong as people are allow to copy onto disk to keep as a backup.

Agreed - it is a sensible response by EB to the comments about - I like the route but I want to use my own / freeware stock. Looking through the above posts it seems at least one member has gone that direction whereas I suggest he would not have bought any of the add-ons otherwise.

I have bought much software online and as soon as I get the download completed a copy goes onto DVD and a second copy gets sent to the Linux file server under the desk that is only cranked up when I need to do backups. The emails with the licensing information get forwarded to work and my other email account. Therefore now I am reinstalling from scratch following total hard-drive failure I can still install the Speedworks TGV and other non-available products.

Kindest regards

John