First Scotrail's Caledonian Sleeper

[ajax103]

Can anyone enlighten me as to what formation this service runs in please so I can start to use it in MSTS.

I' have checked http://www.trainformations.co.uk but I' haven't been successful.

Any help would be gratefully received.

[nwallace]

Which one?
Which Portion?
And where is it at the time :p

[bdy26]

There was a thread on this a while back, which had the formations and details of where and how each of the 3 portions split and join - have a quick search for it.

Also have a look here http://www.thejunction.org.uk/diagr.shtml

ta

Ben

[ajax103]

Which one?
Which Portion?
And where is it at the time :p

A northbound service from Euston would be good.
I have no idea on the runnings on it so that's why I asked you guys.

There was a thread on this a while back, which had the formations and details of where and how each of the 3 portions split and join - have a quick search for it.

Also have a look here http://www.thejunction.org.uk/diagr.shtml

ta

Ben

I checked the website you gave me, no luck but I'm still looking.

[bdy26]

http://www.firstgroup.com/scotrail/tt/1 ... oute27.pdf

Look harder!

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... il+sleeper

"stuartpalmer wrote:
From time to time people ask about the formation of the Inverness/Aberdeen/Fort William sleeper. As I had a few mintues to spare last night (24 Nov 2005) before boarding, I thought I'd write down the formation for the record.

From the front (as it was at Euston):

90 021 Railfreight Distribution (very reassuring)
Sleeper Car G - Fort William
Sleeper Car F - Fort William
Sleeper Car E - Aberdeen
Sleeper Car D - Aberdeen
Sleeper Car C - Aberdeen
Sleeper Car B - Aberdeen
Lounge Car (unlettered) - Aberdeen
Seated Car A - Aberdeen
Sleeper Car P - Inverness
Sleeper Car N - Inverness
Sleeper Car M - Inverness
Sleeper Car L - Inverness
Sleeper Car K - Inverness
Sleeper Car J - Inverness
Lounge Car (unlettered) - Inverness
Seated Car H - Inverness.

If anyone wants to use this to write an activity for Highland Main Line, remember that from Edinburgh the formation of the Inverness section is reversed, i.e. with Car H leading.

My dedication to duty did not, I regret, extend to getting up at 3am to see what they were putting on the front of the Inverness section (and I didn't have chance to check at Aviemore), but it's usually an EWS 67 (or occasionally a clapped-out 47)."

I went on it at the end of October last year, picking up at preston and going to inverness. I'm not sure exactly where it splits - I thought it ran through to Edinburgh and split there, but coming back we met other portions at Motherwell, though it was Sunday.

Stock is a pool of 90's and 67s. The diagrams on the junction site has the workings on them - click on "First Caledonian Sleeper." And it is a beast that train, fills the long platforms at Euston and Preston. In fact the reason they have to use mk2s rather than mk3s as the seating coaches is that the train would be too long. I think the formation now may use more seating coaches than that, but they may chop and change them.

Cheers

Ben

[nwallace]

A seated car is aded at Waverly for the Fort Bill Portion.

But of course we still dont' know if ajax103 wants to do the Highland or Ed & Glas Sleeper Presumably on Thames Mersey?

[Damo]

A seated car is aded at Waverly for the Fort Bill Portion.

Aren't two coaches added at Waverley? Always been 4 car when I've been on it.

[ajax103]

A seated car is aded at Waverly for the Fort Bill Portion.

But of course we still dont' know if ajax103 wants to do the Highland or Ed & Glas Sleeper Presumably on Thames Mersey?

I was hoping to recreate the service that got diverted earlier this year onto the ECML due to the accident in the Lake District.

Thank you guys for your help.

I got the First Scotrail coaches and I have a choice of FO, RFO, TSO and BSO , do I just add them in that order?

[bdy26]

First ScotRail MK3 Sleeper coach [1619718 bytes] - First Scotrail Sleeper.zip File ID: 15307 Date: 26 Sep 2006 - 1313 Downloads

Scotrail Sleeper Seating coaches [2171844 bytes] - Scotrail_Sleeper_Seating_Coach.zip File ID: 11156 Date: 28 Dec 2004 - 2925 Downloads

would be the ones I would I went on in October, not sure if they use the the mk3s (they do on the Cornish Riveira, but I thought the train would be too long with mk3s - may be wrong on that.)

The down formation out of Euston would be something like:

EWS 90 + SLE +SLEP + SLE + SLEP +SLE + SLEP + Lounge + Sleeper Brake + SLE + SLEP +SLE + SLEP + SLE + Lounge + Sleeper Brake.

A formation with mk3s would be very similar - use a buffet and seated brake instead of the lounge and sleeper brake. The sleepers are not all the same way round with the corridors on different sides, so flip some of them in the consist!

cheers

Ben

[nwallace]

Sleeping cars are Mk3 as are the lounge cars. The Seating cars/Brake vans are Mk2s.

Both would have been diverted assuming both ran.

Niall

[stuartpalmer]

I was hoping to recreate the service that got diverted earlier this year onto the ECML due to the accident in the Lake District.

The standard formation from Euston is still as I described it in 2005, although occasionally the Inverness section is shortened to 7 coaches.

For the ECML diversions, the train reverses at Wembley and then goes via the North London Line to Finsbury Park. So from Finsbury Park, coach H is at the leading (Northbound) end. The train enters Edinburgh from the opposite direction, so that it is the same way round as if it had come up the WCML, and all is well for the ongoing portions.