Liveries for ECE 3 are...

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:33 pm

Pompeyfan wrote:oh yea i forgot that you yourself make routes.

what do you mean by the above then?

Providing decent amounts of stock for a route is very time consuming, and generally expensive, life would be a lot simpler if a commercial route, was just that, "a route".

passedcleaner · Post by **passedcleaner** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:36 pm

It wouldn't sell very well though

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:41 pm

passedcleaner wrote:It wouldn't sell very well though

That was not the question !

It might be worth a seperate conversation on the subject.
It has some merit, how often do you hear people basically saying that they will use superior freeware stock ?

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:46 pm

fair point. if you compare some stock to idental freeware stuff the Payware USUALLY wins. i must say how much i love the RR sprinter packs. can't remember the auther but was released in to packs. there was express alphaline regional railwas etc. hats off to him.

shaun123 · Post by **shaun123** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:35 pm

Do You think there will be passenger views for the 321 and 158. And how many activities do you think will utilise driving these units?

Backfoot2002 · Post by **Backfoot2002** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:43 pm

Pompeyfan wrote:fair point. if you compare some stock to idental freeware stuff the Payware USUALLY wins. i must say how much i love the RR sprinter packs. can't remember the auther but was released in to packs. there was express alphaline regional railwas etc. hats off to him.

That was myself, and thank you, glad you like them.

With regards to the 158 sounds, I think they are ok at low speed, but at high speed, sounded like a high pitch whining was coming from somewhere that wasnt supposed to be there. The 321 sounds are very good though. Did notice though that the cabview was incorrect. The wipers were facing the wrong way. They were set to do east to west motion when they actualyl do south to east (or west) motion.

NiallGray · Post by **NiallGray** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:51 pm

Backfoot2002 wrote: The 321 sounds are very good though. Did notice though that the cabview was incorrect. The wipers were facing the wrong way. They were set to do east to west motion when they actualyl do south to east (or west) motion.

It appears to me the cabview is set up for a unit with 3 windows in the front of the cab, not two, like the 321. The shaping of the driver's window is wrong shape.

colinm74 · Post by **colinm74** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:30 pm

NiallGray wrote:
Backfoot2002 wrote: The 321 sounds are very good though. Did notice though that the cabview was incorrect. The wipers were facing the wrong way. They were set to do east to west motion when they actualyl do south to east (or west) motion.
It appears to me the cabview is set up for a unit with 3 windows in the front of the cab, not two, like the 321. The shaping of the driver's window is wrong shape.

It looks more than a bit like the 319 cab on LSC.

Pompeyfan · Post by **Pompeyfan** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:43 am

colinm74 wrote:
NiallGray wrote:
Backfoot2002 wrote: The 321 sounds are very good though. Did notice though that the cabview was incorrect. The wipers were facing the wrong way. They were set to do east to west motion when they actualyl do south to east (or west) motion.
It appears to me the cabview is set up for a unit with 3 windows in the front of the cab, not two, like the 321. The shaping of the driver's window is wrong shape.
It looks more than a bit like the 319 cab on LSC.

compleatly agree with you. and once again, well done backfoot

chester025 · Post by **chester025** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:49 am

Hi,

Just recieved the Leeds Loop a couple of minutes ago! And its currently being installed!

Cheers,

Chester025

chester025 · Post by **chester025** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:06 am

Hi,

It's just installed but I ordered from Europeanbahn which means I'm entitled to 6 extra activities which should boost me up to 18 acts but I can only find 12! In addition I sent off an E-mail about my 2 UKTS free premium months, and still (after 3 days!) no reply! Help me please!

Cheers,

Chester025

6rdfar90 · Post by **6rdfar90** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:25 am

I think the email also said to wait 14 days after release about both the activities and premium membership ~ ur lucky by the way. i got leeds loop next to me, but no pc to play it on!

Dan1983 · Post by **Dan1983** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:51 pm

We have 321s on Great Eastern, the wheelsets are slightly wrong, I agree with all.

6rdfar90 · Post by **6rdfar90** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:07 pm

Well it seems quite a few people were wrong about the 158 included in Leeds Loop.

Another thing is that the 158's skirting doesn't go down low enough, giving the front the appearance of being too wide, a bit squashed.

According to my 1995 Platform 5 combined volume, 158743 was built for Scotland and allocated to Haymarket. So the First Class is actually correct for the unit number, but therefore that particular unit should have below-cab snowploughs. And of course never worked south of Edinburgh, and so shouldn't be on the addon.

Looks like EB scored an own-goal.

The other thing that makes the front look strange is the amount of yellow. Originally, the entire windscreen/destination blind/headlight cluster assembly of TPX units was completely black, with yellow around the edges, and looked a lot more sleek than the portrayed Scotrail-style version, which has yellow highlighting.

The Scotrail front end is shown here:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... stbury.JPG

The original colouring on the transpennine and WYPTE units' cabs is shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1589 ... caster.JPG

Note that the English units had glass in the corridor connection door, whereas the Scotrail units did not.

So a correct transpennine-build two-car 158 should be numbered from 158760-779, or 781. A 3 car unit would be 158798-814. WYPTE are 158901-910. It should have the normal lower skirting at the front, and have no First Class. It should also say EXPRESS in the bodyside stripes, not Regional Railways (only the Canton and Crown Point units had that.)

The train included isnt even that running number. It was obviously just to show a few screenshots.

Backfoot2002 · Post by **Backfoot2002** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:10 pm

6rdfar90 wrote:Well it seems quite a few people were wrong about the 158 included in Leeds Loop.
Another thing is that the 158's skirting doesn't go down low enough, giving the front the appearance of being too wide, a bit squashed.

According to my 1995 Platform 5 combined volume, 158743 was built for Scotland and allocated to Haymarket. So the First Class is actually correct for the unit number, but therefore that particular unit should have below-cab snowploughs. And of course never worked south of Edinburgh, and so shouldn't be on the addon.

Looks like EB scored an own-goal.

The other thing that makes the front look strange is the amount of yellow. Originally, the entire windscreen/destination blind/headlight cluster assembly of TPX units was completely black, with yellow around the edges, and looked a lot more sleek than the portrayed Scotrail-style version, which has yellow highlighting.

The Scotrail front end is shown here:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... stbury.JPG

The original colouring on the transpennine and WYPTE units' cabs is shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1589 ... caster.JPG

Note that the English units had glass in the corridor connection door, whereas the Scotrail units did not.

So a correct transpennine-build two-car 158 should be numbered from 158760-779, or 781. A 3 car unit would be 158798-814. WYPTE are 158901-910. It should have the normal lower skirting at the front, and have no First Class. It should also say EXPRESS in the bodyside stripes, not Regional Railways (only the Canton and Crown Point units had that.)
The train included isnt even that running number. It was obviously just to show a few screenshots.

Or maybe they had the number wrong at first, read the thread about it and changed it?

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Liveries for ECE 3 are...

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