Slightly spirited Deltic running on ECE

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Another thing that affects the timing are the setup of the locomotive in the eng.file most of the diesel tend to accelerate a lot faster in MSTS than in real life. I have found that be changing the eng.file ie change the the following make quite a differance to performance and makes it more like the real engine-:
Max Power (this should be power at the rail or 81% of total engine HP)
Max Force (this in technical data for the class)
Max continues Force (same as above)

this works fine for most engines but for high speed loco, causes them not to reach maxium speed ie i have found that a value of 2950-3000 HP is need for the deltic to reach 100-105mph and does not work at all for the class 67
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didnt 55019 do 53 minutes with a stop at stevenage. might be worth putting the extra stop in just in case.
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salopiangrowler wrote:didnt 55019 do 53 minutes with a stop at stevenage. might be worth putting the extra stop in just in case.
The 53-minute run I enjoyed (that's an understatement :-) ) was in June 2003 on the DPS Newcastle - KX (via Lincoln) trip with '19. I don't think it stopped at Stevenage - that would be a seriously hellfire time.
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Lad491 wrote:
seriously all my deltics are set to trip at 108 mph
You'll need to change that for my activities on MEP. There you have to run at 110mph on one section to make all your traffic slots :)

Seriously, I read an article with timings which showed they did run at 110mph on some sections.
Sound like my kind of activities - are these on UKTS? Saves me the job of finishing this one then!!!
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MrHillingdon wrote:Being a bit of a Deltic crank in my dim and distant past I used to travel the ECML with stop watch in hand behind Deltics every free minute I had. Therefore, as someone who also drives Deltics along ECE trying hopelessly to recreate his youth, perhaps I could add my penny's worth. I believe the approx mileages are as follows;
KX to Peterborough - real 76.25ish, MSTS 74ish.
Peterborough to Grantham - real 29ish, MSTS 25.5ish
Grantham to Newark - real 14.5ish, MSTS 13ish
Newark to Retford - real 18.5ish, MSTS 17ish
Retford to Doncaster - real 17.5ish, MSTS 15.25ish
Doncaster to York - real 32.5ish, MSTS 32ish
That's about 12 miles missing throughout.
LNERandBR wrote:It's an MSTS problem If you run at exactley 40mph for 1 hour you will not have travelled 40 miles.
Thanks a lot to yous both for this precise gen. I think, then, that in this case it is a mixture of what you've described (the route having been built slightly short) plus the inherent MSTS time/distance fault.
MrHillingdon wrote:In those days there was a restriction of 90mph through the tunnel, so drivers usually eased as they approached the top.
What more do you need to say? That is the mark of a truly great machine.


Anyway, I think we've established that there's not going to be any real challenge in an activity based on the premise of your 55+8 set substituting for a burst tram and trying to keep to summer 1981 tram timings (I think we've probably also established by the by that it wasn't that much challenge in real life either!!). So I think I'll can that one and get on with YHHYT3.

Now I'm sure I parked D6151 somewhere safe up the Mallaig extension............

Cheers guys.
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Lad491 wrote:
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seriously all my deltics are set to trip at 108 mph


You'll need to change that for my activities on MEP. There you have to run at 110mph on one section to make all your traffic slots

Seriously, I read an article with timings which showed they did run at 110mph on some sections.


Sound like my kind of activities - are these on UKTS? Saves me the job of finishing this one then!!!
Its going to be on the new Mid East Plus CD. Im not sure if Mick Clarke plans to issue the activities as an activity pack as well for the downloaders.
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Sounds good, lad - obviously more appropriate historically than ECE (I had thought making use of today's higher line speeds as on ECE would give the Deltic more chance of keeping to HST timings - how we laughed!).

I do look forward to it.

Back working on West Highland NBL jobs now! :-)
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Also don't forget that in Deltic days the Doncaster to York section was via Selby and not the "new" line from Temple Hirst.

It was probably shorter in miles but had a lower line speed.

Anyway, an interesting topic and good luck with the activity writing!

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