Tim Courts original MidEast Route

[Lad491]

Crikey! What was FS doing there? Have I got my geography wrong. I seem to have missed that station out

Hmm.... memory playing tricks It was 1968 and of course didnt go anywhere near Rugby Oh well

Funny how Rugby has stuck in my mind though and the speed too. Must have been another rail tour about that time Just proves how much i know about railways

[systema]

Sign of old age Laurie. The main thing is you remember having a great day out.

You would be unlikely to be doing 105 through Rugby since it has a junction at either end. The through lines are restricted to about 50 or 60 I think.

Mick Clarke

[BR7MT]

A memory stirs about the Flying Scotsman run...

... I read that to do the Kings Cross to Edinburgh run non-stop, today, would require more than 2 tenders. The same article also mentioned that the 1968(?) run actually used one of the still active water trough's North of York to refill both tender's.

Regards,

Dan

[asharte]

For information -
Water Troughs, Euston - Lime Street:

Location - Mileage
Bushey - 15 1/2
Castlethorpe - 54
Rugby 84
Hademore 114
Whitmore 148
Halebank 183 1/2

Approx 2000 gallons per fill. Not too sure, but I think speed was important, something like too slow and the water wouldn't pick up, too fast and you couldn't raise the scoop - maybe 20 - 60 mph???

[ccsdc]

For information -
Water Troughs, Euston - Lime Street:

Location - Mileage
Bushey - 15 1/2
Castlethorpe - 54
Rugby 84
Hademore 114
Whitmore 148
Halebank 183 1/2

Approx 2000 gallons per fill. Not too sure, but I think speed was important, something like too slow and the water wouldn't pick up, too fast and you couldn't raise the scoop - maybe 20 - 60 mph???

All on Thames-Mersey!

Dave

[systema]

So troughs were about every 30 miles, a bit like motorway services. You obviously didn't need to use everyone but just in case you were getting low you would only have about 30 miles at most to the next one. 20-60mph sounds about right. I think you would need to be doing a minimum of about 20mph to be able to suck enough water in. There was probably a maximum as well because of the friction caused by scooping up the water at speed. Too much speed may be too great a shock for the scoop.

Mick Clarke

[jamesinbolton]

Isn't it much the same with planes? They fill the tanks to capacity at nearly every landing, even tho they may only need half that amount of fuel (if even that).

Thought planes only carried the fuel they needed to transport their loaded weight to their destination with a marginal extra.

Transporting extra fuel in flight is seriously uneconomical because it requires more fuel to carry the extra fuel (does that make sense?) therefore they tend to only use what is needed with only a little extra on top.

[USRailFan]

AFAIK, by law planes have to have enough fuel on board to reach their destination + halfway back (in case of an emergency requring a detour or a long time of circling).

[systema]

AFAIK, by law planes have to have enough fuel on board to reach their destination + halfway back (in case of an emergency requring a detour or a long time of circling).

Somewhat off topic, but I think this is right. They obviously use more fuel than needed if they had just enough to get there, because the load is heavier, but thats far too risky. I suspect they keep the tanks as full as possible however despite the payload effect.

Mick Clarke

[jbilton]

For information -
Water Troughs, Euston - Lime Street:

Location - Mileage
Bushey - 15 1/2
Castlethorpe - 54
Rugby 84
Hademore 114
Whitmore 148
Halebank 183 1/2

Approx 2000 gallons per fill. Not too sure, but I think speed was important, something like too slow and the water wouldn't pick up, too fast and you couldn't raise the scoop - maybe 20 - 60 mph???

All on Thames-Mersey!

Dave

And all correctly plated over, when you run the modern bat file I believe Dave.

Cheers
Jon

[ccsdc]

For information -
Water Troughs, Euston - Lime Street:

Location - Mileage
Bushey - 15 1/2
Castlethorpe - 54
Rugby 84
Hademore 114
Whitmore 148
Halebank 183 1/2

Approx 2000 gallons per fill. Not too sure, but I think speed was important, something like too slow and the water wouldn't pick up, too fast and you couldn't raise the scoop - maybe 20 - 60 mph???

All on Thames-Mersey!

Dave

And all correctly plated over, when you run the modern bat file I believe Dave.

Cheers
Jon

Almost - just a tweek to the track texture to make the troughs look rusted and out of use.

Dave

[Tonysmedley]

A bit off topic but relevant to the references to planes and fuel. Some years ago when I was taking a plane from Edinburgh, there were problems with the jet booster that was necessary to get off the then rather short runway. After some time going to and fro for engine checks the pilot announced that because we were now short of fuel he required about half the passengers to disembark in order to ensure that he had the minimum of fuel required by the Authorities to cover possible diversion to other airports if London was not now able to take us. Rather more than half the pasengers got cold feet and left the plane; those of us whow were left were rather surprised that the amount of fuel carried was so tight as to need the action taken.

Tony