I 've had it with nit pickers & rivet counters

[partyspiritz]

Fristly I have not seen the offending commits but the impression I get is there is one rule for one and another rule for someone else. it would seam that we have not learnt from the last time someone offended or upset someone.

Why is that commits that are likely to offend are allowed to be posted. I do feel that the person who is responsible for this should be chastiesd in some way.


John

[Easilyconfused]

Well since Pete has not directly approached the moderator team we are assuming this thread is the cause of the issue http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?t=60881 If this is not the case then I would appreciate being pointed in the direction of the comments that have triggered this thread.

There is no other agenda as alluded to in some of the posts in this thread. The moderator team do not and can not read every single post and are somewhat reliant on members to report posts that breach the code of conduct.

Now removing my moderator hat
The few activities from Pete that I have run I have enjoyed. I would be sorry to see them go but if that is what he feels he needs to do then that is his decision.

[dorlan]

Fristly I have not seen the offending commits but the impression I get is there is one rule for one and another rule for someone else. it would seam that we have not learnt from the last time someone offended or upset someone.

Why is that commits that are likely to offend are allowed to be posted. I do feel that the person who is responsible for this should be chastiesd in some way.

John

I haven't seen the "offending comments" that have upset Pete, either and they are not referred to anywhere in this thread.
It's difficult to have a balanced view of what has happened, as a consequence, it is quite difficult to do anything, as a moderator, about it!
If it is the thread that John (easilyconfused) has highlighted, then we'll have a better idea of what has upset Pete!

Ian J

[bigmull]

I have only been on the site for a wee while.In that time i have bought 5 Community cds and downloaded stock and activities.I always read the read me file.I can only say a HUGE Thank You to those talented enough to make these excellent routes and Activities.I have taken heart form you and have embarked on a route of my own.Without you guys it would be aweful!So what if a certain Loco didnt pull a certain wagon on the Scumbutt Branch Line in 1923!I think my consist of the Flying Scot with the Pullmans from the Swiss activities looks the dogs!Thats the thing , if it looks good then it is good!Its a sad day indeed when (dare i say it) an Anorak critisises your work to an extent of you wanting to pull it all off the site.Ignore them,they will go away with any luck.Keep the good wprk up and thanks for inspiring me to have a bash!

[Iluka]

Hi Pete

Please don't withdraw your Activities from UKTS - I have all your Activities and have really enjoyed them all.

Your Talents are First Class,Your Activities are First Class & your accompanying Readme's are absolutely perfect - they are well thought out,very clear & concise.

I haven't read the thread with the criticism which has so upset you Pete but I hope you get a deserved apology from the offending culprit(s).

There have been 1226 Views and 45 Replies on your Topic Pete and everyone is very supportive of you.

Kindest Regards

Mike

[mikesimpson]

Hi Pete,

Don't let them grind you down!

Just keep up the good work, you can see from the number of postings on this thread how popular your activities are.

I know from experience how much hassle you can get on this site, and I even thought about pulling Route-Riter off here at one time (Being accused of everything from destroying a hard-drive to stopping his mother's cow laying milk or whatever they do?)

Then I realised that over 100,000 downloads worldwide must mean that most people thought I was doing the right thing, so I just ignore any criticism and bask in the good vibes of the silent majority. (Most of whom have never written an activity, built a route, designed a model or written a utility anyway.)

Mike.

[ashgray]

Fristly I have not seen the offending commits but the impression I get is there is one rule for one and another rule for someone else. it would seam that we have not learnt from the last time someone offended or upset someone.

Why is that commits that are likely to offend are allowed to be posted. I do feel that the person who is responsible for this should be chastiesd in some way.

John

I haven't seen the "offending comments" that have upset Pete, either and they are not referred to anywhere in this thread.
It's difficult to have a balanced view of what has happened, as a consequence, it is quite difficult to do anything, as a moderator, about it!
If it is the thread that John (easilyconfused) has highlighted, then we'll have a better idea of what has upset Pete!

Ian J

Hi Ian - well, someone's got to do this...It's safe to say the thread that's caused the problem is indeed the one John has highlighted - page 2, think it's fairly self-explanatory...

Cheers
Ashley

[emufarmer3]

Hi Pete

As a Route builder I also get this bad eliment that criticises other peoples good work, I have nearly deleted some of my routes that I build ( GWR Toddington was nearly deleted at one stage ) but then realize they are a very small idiotic part of our train-sims community.

My Beta Tester and very good friend Mike Wood is always talking very highly of you and your Activities. Im sure this must mean something to you.

Keep up your good work of making good Activities

So chin up and walk tall Pete and ignore these type of people, who have very likily done not one thing for our community but complain about other peoples work.

Frank Carver

[whobhoy]

While the degree of support for Pete is amazing & I am sure he is overwhelmed by it , because I know from our one meeting He is quite a humble person & I think his almost total silence on this matter bears that out.

I don't think People appreciate the magnitude of the implications here if & when Pete withdraws his stuff & I didn't either till I was checking in the library this morning at 4am ( no I'm not that sad I work nights ) 60% of the Ballyshannon Activities would be wiped of the board (21/35 Are by a former user)

It would be similar on the Irish Enterprise front with over 70% of them disappearing (24/35 are by a former user)

Other Routes that will be affected badly are Highland Mainline 50% of the activities available for this are by a former user & Scottish Central 35% of the Activity content for this route would be wiped off the library.

I Can not help thinking that one of the truest things said in this thread to date came from the man himself .... & I quote......

I Should Just add that If everything in these forums were policed with same degree of parody of esteem ,I would not be taking this action.

I mean what is the greater crime Posting in BLOCK CAPS or BOLD surely not as bad as knocking someones creativity & work which in some case maybe took 60 hours to put together

As Someone who has suffered over the silly application of discipline on the forum I can not disagree with one word of the above statement & I don't care who I offend I think a lot of the moderation team wants to get their finger out & take action on the knockers rather than those who speak their mind or Fail to use correct grammar .
I feel totally disgusted at the way somethings are dealt with on here the lack of "parody of esteem" is so blatant as is the lack of Democracy & free speech !!!

I was thinking last night in work while checking the forums of setting up a Poll to show the Support for Pete's Activities remaining in sheer numbers , but in reflection one of two things would happen I would be reprimanded or Baned or the Topic containing the poll would locked & I would be reprimanded or Baned!!
I am running that risk now even but this bears out my thinking to a tee....

Hi Pete, Got some mind reads on the Forum, I emailed Pete with what Whobhoy said , and he told me not to put it on the forum as it may upset one or two people,Well tough Sh----t if people go around upsetting my forum friends,someone who as progressed and learned lots of things together and by the way never met.Its about time this person Apologised for their untrue statement or don't they no they meaning of the word

regards
Ron P

& personally I think the fact that Ashely states

the party concerned appears to have gone to ground...

Ashley

& thus bears out Ashley & Pete's Comments on the Hidden Agenda Bit, that I could not comment on earlier but can now having read the offending post , Sure it contains several false Claims I have downloaded it this morning from TS.com & it contains the Word Document as described by Pete

Well Mate enough of me Rambling But Think Long & hard before Clicking That Big Black X

& in the Immortal words of Norman Stanley Fletcher " NIL ILLEGITIMUS CARBORUNDUM "

[thenudehamster]

While not having seen this thread immediately, it seems to have taken me half the morning to read it and it progenitor. It does seem that, on the face of it, Peter is perhaps going a little 'over the top' in wanting to withdraw all his activities from this site, but we do not know just how many, and hoe nasty, some of the complaints are that he may have received by PM and email. Pete's generally seemed to me to be a pretty level headed kind of bloke; I've had one or two issues with some of his comments once in a while, but plenty have had similar with mine. That's life. Ain't all of us going to think the same all the time.
As for withdrawing activities, yes, I would like him to think long and hard before doing so. That a couple of people (can't be more than a small handful) can cause so much upset and ill-feeling is regrettable, but it would be better to show them that such behaviour does not achieve results.

Dave Bran, I think made several very cogent points about Actvity publishing, geekspeak terminology, and documentation. I'd been playing with Trainsim for a year before I even knew what a Bounding Box was let alone what it did and how to correct errors - and I have a pretty fair idea of what I'm doing. There was an activity for Thaxted which used a piece of rolling stock which had a BBox so wide it almost took up a double track - and completion was almost impossible without editing it; I always meant to tell someone about that...

And it's all very well writing a beautiful document with illustrations and special characters, but not everyone has MS-Word to read it. I know that OpenOffice can read Word, as can Works, but again, not everyone has them either, and wouldn't know how to get them - or care to. RTF, PDF or plain text HAS to be the way to go. Documentation HAS to cater to the lowest denominator.

Criticism as most of us understand it is a very difficult thing to take. We think we've done a wonderful job producing something, then along comes this little snot-nose who thinks he knows better and pulls us up on it. Should we not stop and think whether he may have a valid point before reacting emotionally? Several of the comments in the original thread were perfectly valid, but read in the wrong frame of mind and they're simply know-nothing bitching. Allow for the fact that not everyone is as knowledgeable as yourself; allow that not everyone is as fluent in English as yourself, and certainly that not everyone has the tact and diplomacy that you may have or expect. Let's face it, it seems that half the present population can't even spell their own name! What chance diplomatic questions?
Talking of that sort of thing, I have a question about Dorset Coast and its accuracy. I fully intended to write privately to the author about it, but I'll put it her so you can see what I mean about criticism. I live (at present) in Basingstoke, not far from the railway. I also worked for close to thirty years as an AA man, and the AA's headquarters building (the Ivory Tower) has been in Basingstoke since 1974, close to the railway. It was then and still is, the tallest building in the region, yet it does not appear on the DC route as far as I can see. I could post a simple, direct question in a forum - 'I have Dorset Coast and the AA building's not on it Why not it's the biggest place in basingstoke?' or I can ask more carefully - 'Don't like to nit pick, but driving Tangmere into Basingstoke the other day on DC3 (showing how marvellous msts is to a mate) I'm pointing out all the wonderful detail and all of a sudden there's no AA tower. I'm guessing there must be a reason - model's too big, too many polys or something - or did you just forget to renew your sub? - but any chance of looking into adding it at sometime in the future?'
See the difference? I'm a fair wordsmith, so I can write the latter version; too many people, especially younger members, don't have my skills, but it doesn't make their questions less valid.

We (those of us who've been here a year or two) have seen repeatedly what happens when an ill-considered question meets an ill-tempered reaction. We lose members, some through bans, some through petulance, and we lose content which spoils a marvellously engaging hobby for a whole load of us who do not have the time or the skills to produce content. I would have hoped that most of us are bigger than the playground spats which seem to cause most of the arguments. I hope we are this time, too.


BarryH - thenudehamster

[partyspiritz]

I think we are very awear of just how much work pete as done. We have have only just recovered form the last withdrawal. Iam sure we all know just what devastating effect it would have.

Hence the show of surpport.




John



Swindon

[ArthurC]

Hello Pete

Stick two fingers up at em. You are above them as you have stated in the read me there is a BB problem that has to be rectified. It is not your responsibility to change the stock except for your own use. You have only to look at the response to this thread for you to know everybody is supporting YOU.
These people make my blood boil as they are too damn lazy to correct a small thing for themselves. They want spoon feading all the time.
I am with everybody else DO NOT LET THEM GRIND YOU DOWN.
I also enjoy your creativity and hard work. Please think hard and long before you decide to remove or not. Please be positive and keep smiling.
Happy simming Pete
Best Regards Arthur

[whobhoy]

Just Thought That I would Post this Here as well Its The Non Existent Read Me File with The Midland Pull Man I got this today from the copy I downloaded from http://www.train-sim.com




I am also Disgusted to see that another person is doing his best do discredit Pete's argument & case in another thread which clearly refers to this one
I think this Only goes to strengthen Ashely & Pete's remarks about a hidden Agenda
I Was Speaking with Pete this morning on msm & he is grateful for all the support here & has received over a dozen PM's & 31 E-mail's & wants everyone to know he is not ignoring the support ,but by the same respect does not want anybody thinking he is taking any pleasure from this whole affair.

I would add & this is my personal opinion is it is not looking like he will change his Mind & this latest bit of Backstabbing or winding up call it what you will has not gone to help matters but inflame them more , I should add the last paragraph is my own honest opinion .

[champy]

Think some buildings were omitted for the frame rate reason and also that it isnt a true to life replica route made with bespoke models. All of the scenery is availible from here or other routes. DC was made for everyone to use the real lines but with some artistic interpretation.

Its a real popular route for the non nit picker, i could too pick to my hearts content as i live and know the southampton to Bournemouth area very well but i dont because i know what effort Dave put into it.

As you said it still creates the right atomosphere even though its not 100% pc

Best wishes
Jon

[champy]

I would add & this is my personal opinion is it is not looking like he will change his Mind & this latest bit of Backstabbing or winding up call it what you will has not gone to help matters but inflame them more , I should add the last paragraph is my own honest opinion .

Can i ask what your refering to and whom?

Jon