HEIDI EXPRESS and Just Trains EURO LOCO Pack

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bigvern wrote:I shall reserve further comment until I purchase the full copy when it is released on 26 July.
It has been released and is available from AEROSOFT DE and SIMWARE. Hope you are not going to regret buying it as I did ! If it is not going to appear in AMAZON then you will know why. :(

And just to make sure, I tested a mountainous region of the MARIAS PASS, denser than the HEIDI's and get Frame Rates of between 30 and 40 !

Seems that some programmers know more than others about how to get the best out of the MSTS' Graphics Engine ? :)
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OTTODAD wrote:
bigvern wrote:I shall reserve further comment until I purchase the full copy when it is released on 26 July.
It has been released and is available from AEROSOFT DE and SIMWARE. Hope you are not going to regret buying it as I did ! If it is not going to appear in AMAZON then you will know why. :(
Well Amazon's definetly stocking it, as it's been on their pre-order system for months now :)

Personally I can't wait, as it *looks* great from the screens I've seen, although your comments on framerate do concern me, I've got to admit. Maybe your PC is just too state of the art for MSTS's engine, which, don't forget, wasn't written and optimised for systems that have all the stuff you've got --- have you tried taking some of the settings off the maximum?? ;)
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simuk wrote:[Maybe your PC is just too state of the art for MSTS's engine, which, don't forget, wasn't written and optimised for systems that have all the stuff you've got --- have you tried taking some of the settings off the maximum??
I have spent weeks working with Guillemot and ASUS to find a solution to suit all the SIMS I am running. As you said, my system is ahead of what MSTS has been programmed for. I am reading about these guys using GeForce 2 and getting better performance with MSTS. :-?

But then, I am getting Frame Rates of 30 - 40 with similar scenery in the MARIAS PASS.

I think this here 73 years old can wait until the next generation of everything updated to year 2003 Computing Technology :angel:
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If Heidi express runs at low frame rates and the graphics are not to good, and you want a good scenic route, then download the Jarlesberg Swedish route. This most be the best looking route available, if not the best route for MSTS, there are also plenty of Swedish stock avaiable to go with it.
I have not tried every inch of it yet so do not now if there are problems.
Go on give your eyes a treat.

http://msts.e-buzz.net
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Good news to hear that Heidi Express is now available from Simware.com. I almost ordered a copy for myself on Saturday. But I think I'll wait to read Matt's review of it to be on the safe side, even if it means waiting a few more weeks. I know I would have been disappointed with Scenic Railway if I brought it.
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Deltic2002 wrote:Good news to hear that Heidi Express is now available from Simware.com.
Another downside for English speaking guys is that there is a lot of German in the Simware release. No problem for me, I am Ex-Austrian ! :)
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Heidi express is definitely available from Simware. My copy was waiting for me when I got home. In fact it's just like Christmas as my other item of mail was Pat Dalton's latest version of his Skipton extension for me to test and when I opened my email there was a green power twin version of the Cravens 105 waiting for me. :)

The only problem is that I'm not sure which to try first.

I'll post again once I've had a play with Heidi.

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MartinH wrote: I'll post again once I've had a play with Heidi.

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I've just spent the past 3 hours playing with the dear girl, swore at her several times, almost threw her in the bin, but climaxed with a moment of great pleasure in Klosters.

Seriously, Heidi is a real bitch, but like all good women is worth the patience it takes to get her into bed, I mean installed. First up you are asked to type a word from a particular line in the handbook. Trouble is it doesn't tell you that when you count line 3 on page whatever, that you must include the title on that page as line 1. It took me several attempts to work out what the word it wanted was (there appear to be 3 different ones and it selects one at random). After 3 attempts you have to run setup again.

Ok, we now have the magic bar on the screen that says 10% installed....20%, 30%, 37% stuck. For some reason from here to 50% setup keeps trying to start in a different window (I had about 5 setup windows open at one point). You need to press cancel over and over to kill the things and allow setup to continue. Next we are invited to tell the software vendor that the CD is corrupted as some of the files are wrong. These appear to be texture files for RHBLaret2 in the various seasons. Clicking "Ignore" allows the installation to proceed. Finally, it comes up with the messages installation complete....... and crashes.

Ok, after a lot of effort she's in bed, so how does she ride? Surprisingly well is the answer. After what I'd read in this thread I was expecting rubbish, but it really isn't that bad.

The scenery might not be quite as good as the Albula (although that route was very short by comparison), but it certainly gives the right feel. There are one or two places that left me feeling "This doesn't look right", where a bit more attention to detail is required, but it's a lot better than some routes that I've seen. I'd say 7/10 - on a par with a good (but not very good) amateur route, but not up to Protrain 1, Albula or S&C 1930 standards. I don't know the line well enough to comment on accuracy (it's been a while since I visited the RhB), but then even Protrain isn't perfect in this resepect.

The trains are pretty good. Externally they are better than the freeware RhB trains (the ones that I used in my Albula activities), but they aren't as good as say Ian Morgan's coaches or Duckweed's steam locos (just my opinion). You might say that this isn't good enough for a commercial package, but I'm sure that many of us have bought model railway trains that are far poorer in terms of accuracy of appearance and accepted them as models. Internally, the two cabviews that I've seen are excellent and certainly add to the atmosphere. The carriages have an interior, but this is nothing special. The sounds are based on the default Dash 9 and Acela, although they have replaced the horns and whistles. The physics feels credible, in that you struggle up the hills, even with a short train. It doesn't feel like you're driving an Acela.

The activities. First point - buy a German dictionary. Even this won't help with some words as they appear to be Swiss-German dialect. Secondly, learn the RhB signals, signs and whistle boards. Once you've jumped these hurdles you're in for a treat. The route has clearly been written by someone who knows about railways and great care has been taken with the signals. The first activity is a tutorial and points out the things that you need to watch out for. In particular, the level-crossings have been set so that if you ignore a whistle board, the activity ends (like on one of the Japenese routes). The second activity is a pickup freight. Just to show that great minds think alike, they too have chosen to start with a train of cement wagons and pickup a lumber wagon. :) Just like my Albula pickup activity, it is hard, very hard, due to the steep gradients. I've only tried these two so far, but there are plenty more and lots of scope for some good homemade activities.

Finally, a couple of observations in reply to Ottodad's comments:

1. The point animation is no different to that on the other msts routes (you wouldn't expect it to be) and is perfectly acceptable unless you happen to be a PW engineer.

2. The framerate was no worse than on many other routes. It maintained 14-16 most of the time, climbing to 22 and falling to 10. Now I know that I have a fairly new pc (1.8 GHz with 512 DDR memory), but I don't get any better than this on Tim's ecml (certainly not at Peterborough), not with my settings anyway. Those with slower machines should manage ok if they turn the graphics settings down a bit.

Conclusion - she's a total bitch to get into bed, but once installed she's a gorgeous little model and goes like a train. :)

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Most interesting - thanks Martin.

I wonder if the version that is released on the 26th will have the activities translated and/or installation problems fixed?

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Post by MartinH »

After posting last night, I had another play, this time running the whole length of the line in the snow with an express train (the last activity on their list). This time the frame rates were a little lower (11-15) typical, although I substantially increased this value by getting rid of the dynamic shadows. I think part of the problem is with the rolling stock rather than the route, but haven't done any serious testing to substantiate this.

There is definitely a problem with some of the texture files. These appear to be the snow, wintersnow, springsnow etc. versions of RHBLaret2.ace. The game froze completely just before Davos Laret (approaching from Klosters) and stopped responding. To get around this problem I copied the RHBLaret2.ace file from the Textures folder into the springsnow, wintersnow etc. folders and it now works ok.

Despite these problems, I am definitely a satisfied customer and will be writing some English language activities once a few more people have bought the route. To be honest, the only activity that I struggled to understand was the tutorial, as text boxes popped up every few minutes with more instructions. The proper activities are relatively easy to understand - the pick up goods has a work order and the passenger train has a timetable - what more do you need? It seems that the activity writer doesn't like the track monitor as we are told to turn it off. Most of the pop-up boxes that follow are simply warnings about speed limits and signals. Of course if you have the track monitor open, you know about these in advance. There is also a handy booklet that lists the locations of the speed limits and explains (in german) what the signals mean. Just watch out for the whistle signs or the game will end.

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