Why do we dislike trainsim.com... opps
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JohnEyres
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Ive never entered their forums either. I dont search through there own countries diesels much but from what I can see there are about 300 repainted Dash 9s and GP38s, well not that many! So is there variety over there? I think to a nuetral person who doesnt care what country the stock and route are from train-sim.com is perfect simply beacuse it covers all different railways around the world which this site is not for. I see much more variety on this site though especially for a person who likes his british stuff!
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I think its pretty much horses for courses on this one. There is some great stuff available for a wide range of railways and companies on train-sim.
I know the forums can get a bit of a problem on train-sin.com but we have experienced issues here too. In my experience I have found most people to be very helpful and have made some useful contacts. I am a keen fan of the Illinois Central (have been since I was a kid and read about Casey Jones) and have done several repaints of US locos in ICG colours. I do find the upload process more long winded and awkward than here. Particularly if you want to do an update its a whole new upload rather than a replacement.
I think the forum facilities and upload process here is first class and the British models some of the very best you will see anywhere including some payware stuff.
It all just depends what most interests one in the end.
I know the forums can get a bit of a problem on train-sin.com but we have experienced issues here too. In my experience I have found most people to be very helpful and have made some useful contacts. I am a keen fan of the Illinois Central (have been since I was a kid and read about Casey Jones) and have done several repaints of US locos in ICG colours. I do find the upload process more long winded and awkward than here. Particularly if you want to do an update its a whole new upload rather than a replacement.
I think the forum facilities and upload process here is first class and the British models some of the very best you will see anywhere including some payware stuff.
It all just depends what most interests one in the end.
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steam4me
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As an Aussie who looks in on both fora every day, I'd say there are more similarities than differences in substance.
The American site certainly has its share of "in your face" people and "you mean there's another country besides the US?" attitude, whereas the UK site tends to be more stuffy, self-indulgent and complacent (dare I say an air of superiority?).
I have received superb help, support and information on both sites - both sites have their share of MSTS heroes, both sites have their share of myopic people who don't look at another site "because it's different". The US site does have a few posters who've become "legends in their own mind" - a disease that seem to afflict you when you rack up over 1200 posts - (fortunately Jim Ward, Michael Vone, Rich Garber, John Stanford seem notable exceptions).
Agreeing with Mike, you can look at the comparitive sizes of threads regarding RouteRiter on the two fora to see the level of support he was given on the US site (although typically American there were a few posts along the lines of "coming out of nowhere" and a "newbie in the game" LOL!) - some people put in a lot of time to test, evaluate and provide feedback on his marvellous program. OTOH, I've found people like Matt, Decapod and Richard to be equally helpful and unselfish.
The US library site is MUCH easier to get into for an Aussie (don't like getting up at 4.00am to get into UKTrainsim), though at peak times you have to hit <F5> <Enter> 10 or 15 times till you get in.
It's disappointing that some members of either site seem to feel the need to denigrate the work of the other site when both are equally useful. The differences are predominantly a matter of style rather than substance.
I thoroughly enjoy visiting both fora - one a smoke-filled noisy pub with lots of talk, the music turned up too loud, a variety of personalities (some immature ones who can't hold their drink (or their tongues)), spilled drinks, slapping on the back; the other a room of overstuffed leather chairs, the smell of port and cigars, the ticking of a grandfather clock on the wall, and earnest, muted almost hushed conversation in the "proper manner".
Vive la difference!
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The American site certainly has its share of "in your face" people and "you mean there's another country besides the US?" attitude, whereas the UK site tends to be more stuffy, self-indulgent and complacent (dare I say an air of superiority?).
I have received superb help, support and information on both sites - both sites have their share of MSTS heroes, both sites have their share of myopic people who don't look at another site "because it's different". The US site does have a few posters who've become "legends in their own mind" - a disease that seem to afflict you when you rack up over 1200 posts - (fortunately Jim Ward, Michael Vone, Rich Garber, John Stanford seem notable exceptions).
Agreeing with Mike, you can look at the comparitive sizes of threads regarding RouteRiter on the two fora to see the level of support he was given on the US site (although typically American there were a few posts along the lines of "coming out of nowhere" and a "newbie in the game" LOL!) - some people put in a lot of time to test, evaluate and provide feedback on his marvellous program. OTOH, I've found people like Matt, Decapod and Richard to be equally helpful and unselfish.
The US library site is MUCH easier to get into for an Aussie (don't like getting up at 4.00am to get into UKTrainsim), though at peak times you have to hit <F5> <Enter> 10 or 15 times till you get in.
It's disappointing that some members of either site seem to feel the need to denigrate the work of the other site when both are equally useful. The differences are predominantly a matter of style rather than substance.
I thoroughly enjoy visiting both fora - one a smoke-filled noisy pub with lots of talk, the music turned up too loud, a variety of personalities (some immature ones who can't hold their drink (or their tongues)), spilled drinks, slapping on the back; the other a room of overstuffed leather chairs, the smell of port and cigars, the ticking of a grandfather clock on the wall, and earnest, muted almost hushed conversation in the "proper manner".
Vive la difference!
Regards
Yuri.
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In that case I'm off to Train-sim.com then!steam4me wrote:the other a room of overstuffed leather chairs, the smell of port and cigars, the ticking of a grandfather clock on the wall, and earnest, muted almost hushed conversation in the "proper manner".
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It's just dawned on me that some of the newcomers may not remember that there was once a rather inflammatory thread posted over on The Other Side about this forum, moaning about the "gentlemanly" nature of these threads, the premium subscription arrangements etc. which someone over here noticed. After a few days of slagging the other site's forum off everything settled down after a bit, but since then most of us still refer to the other site - in true British ironic style - as "the other side" or t****s**.com, as a continuing joke. Nothing more!
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I've never had any problems getting into the file library at Train-sim.com even though I'm not a paying member. I go there to look at what's new and I've always managed to get in even though it usually takes a few [F5] and [enter] (to refresh the page and make another log-in attempt) to do it.goingnorth wrote:Over there you can never get on the site (unless you know a few tricks, he he)
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Goingnorth
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LOL When was this thread posted Mark? I don't think this forum is that gentlemanly, look at the last few weeks! he he. Thing is many people probably don't 'get' the British humour/way of arguing.....we are a bit more subtle at digs....sometimes, there's plenty there at times. Rather than saying 'Hey look buster, you can stick that Dash nine right were the sun don't shine. Go stand in the middle of an LA freeway pal'markw wrote:It's just dawned on me that some of the newcomers may not remember that there was once a rather inflammatory thread posted over on The Other Side about this forum, moaning about the "gentlemanly" nature of these threads, the premium subscription arrangements etc. which someone over here noticed. After a few days of slagging the other site's forum off everything settled down after a bit, but since then most of us still refer to the other site - in true British ironic style - as "the other side" or t****s**.com, as a continuing joke. Nothing more!
We go more for irony, double-meanings, generalisations and play on words.
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in other words we have a more sophisticated sense of humour 
mind you, like you said it did go a bit awry a couple of weeks ago. could say that the train-sim.com culture is starting to make a showing. i joined at the start of this year and was amazed to see that everyone was polite and willing to give up a lot of time to help each other. it's still similar enough but we have recently had new people coming on who maybe have been using t-s.com forums and thought that the same 'in your face' culture exists here. we have also had one or two misunderstandings but hopefully they have been swept well under the carpet. i guess you could say that the regulars on here know that you must think before you type where the emigrants from that yankee place decide they want to be rude to everyone. i may be speaking for myself when i post this but i think that there is more patience and dare i say it-manners here. possibly due to the predominantly uk presence here and the truly international nature of train-sim.com where types of humour that are considered acceptable in one place are frowned upon in another. for example, we may not like the way an american speaks to us, he/she may just be trying to be 'in your face' and 'funny' as he/she perceives it but we may see it as them being completely rude. it works the other way when we use our subtle typically dry british humour and they might not understand what we're trying to get at and instantly a confrontational situation is formed simply because of what is intended to be humourous is taken the wrong way.
sorry for the rambling, just thought i'd give my take on the situation.
mind you, like you said it did go a bit awry a couple of weeks ago. could say that the train-sim.com culture is starting to make a showing. i joined at the start of this year and was amazed to see that everyone was polite and willing to give up a lot of time to help each other. it's still similar enough but we have recently had new people coming on who maybe have been using t-s.com forums and thought that the same 'in your face' culture exists here. we have also had one or two misunderstandings but hopefully they have been swept well under the carpet. i guess you could say that the regulars on here know that you must think before you type where the emigrants from that yankee place decide they want to be rude to everyone. i may be speaking for myself when i post this but i think that there is more patience and dare i say it-manners here. possibly due to the predominantly uk presence here and the truly international nature of train-sim.com where types of humour that are considered acceptable in one place are frowned upon in another. for example, we may not like the way an american speaks to us, he/she may just be trying to be 'in your face' and 'funny' as he/she perceives it but we may see it as them being completely rude. it works the other way when we use our subtle typically dry british humour and they might not understand what we're trying to get at and instantly a confrontational situation is formed simply because of what is intended to be humourous is taken the wrong way.sorry for the rambling, just thought i'd give my take on the situation.
Rob, I was talking about an event some while ago! Someone genuinely thought we were "gentlemanly" and "boring" and "elitist". That said, recent events notwithstanding, I still find the general tone on here better than TS.com which, last time I went on a month ago, was still a bit sharp.
I agree with Cadet, it's probably the American directness which comes across as rude and offensive. It's second nature there. And to make matters worse, wordplay and intonation are impossible to transmit electronically which is why irony fails in anything other than face to face communication.
I agree with Cadet, it's probably the American directness which comes across as rude and offensive. It's second nature there. And to make matters worse, wordplay and intonation are impossible to transmit electronically which is why irony fails in anything other than face to face communication.
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Goingnorth
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Yep, got the fact is was some time ago. But I think we should put aside this myth that Brits are elitist, stuffy and gentlemanly..for their benefit....cos they're not. A trip down your local shops, on board a bus or train, or in a pub will prove otherwise!
Generally I have always found American people very pleasant. You're right, they can come across as direct, but I don't think it's rude in the main. Over here were go more for the snide comment. ('Mention no names....but...') You're right, irony doesn't come across well sometimes with words. Sometimes it doesn't come across face-to-face well!
I don't think our sense of humour is superior, but unless you know the culture it's not very easily understood because it plays on language and you have to think beyond what stares you in the face sometimes.
In essence, I couldn't care less. Both sites have their good and bad points. I've nothing against either.
Generally I have always found American people very pleasant. You're right, they can come across as direct, but I don't think it's rude in the main. Over here were go more for the snide comment. ('Mention no names....but...') You're right, irony doesn't come across well sometimes with words. Sometimes it doesn't come across face-to-face well!
I don't think our sense of humour is superior, but unless you know the culture it's not very easily understood because it plays on language and you have to think beyond what stares you in the face sometimes.
In essence, I couldn't care less. Both sites have their good and bad points. I've nothing against either.
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I normally frequent this part of the woods but I have nothing against.. them 
Actually I'm suprised at some of the posts on this thread. I haven't posted much over there but I am acutely aware of an unspoken 'provisional' status for newcomers. Its all a bit like 'show us you can behave and we'll accept you'. Is that bad? No.... Just different.
Actually I'm suprised at some of the posts on this thread. I haven't posted much over there but I am acutely aware of an unspoken 'provisional' status for newcomers. Its all a bit like 'show us you can behave and we'll accept you'. Is that bad? No.... Just different.-
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I visit 5 or 6 msts sites regularly, although I only post or upload on this one. I've got nothing against train-sim.com and download lots from it. Looking forward to the BigBoy.
As for being gentlemanly and having better manners...
No, I won't, just in case my sense of humour is lost on certain delicate folk.
Martin
As for being gentlemanly and having better manners...
No, I won't, just in case my sense of humour is lost on certain delicate folk.
Martin
I agree, Rob, we're not elitist or stuffy, and every American I have met personally (and I've met a few over the years) has been gracious and a delight to meet, which is more than can be said for some from this country. What's more they appreciate people taking time to explain things to them, particularly on railway journeys...
I use both sites, and French ones, and TrenoMania.it, and German ones, I enjoy them all, and there is certainly no hatred or dislike of t****s**.com, I just like pretending there is. A bit like the old fashioned BBCvITV rivalry.
I use both sites, and French ones, and TrenoMania.it, and German ones, I enjoy them all, and there is certainly no hatred or dislike of t****s**.com, I just like pretending there is. A bit like the old fashioned BBCvITV rivalry.