NEW Patch 154 pour MSTS ( non official )

champy · Post by **champy** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:14 pm

No i hadnt and thats a very helpful place to start looking Matt
thankyou very much

Jon

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:21 pm

Hi
I always go to the trouble of checking and altering any stock, I upload to UKTrainsim.
I don't get any coupling problems if I use the later train.exe.
So I have to assume that the earlier train.exe is still flawed,even though patched.
Unfortunately at present the patch checks the issue of the train.exe and will not patch the later train.exe.
I have left a message on the patch authors board.
Cheers
Jon

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:37 pm

neilbooth wrote:Will you be able to develop new locomotives with this included..ie switching cabviews/lighting..? as i am unable to alter the engine files myself on this one i have tried but my cabview failed to load...i just dont understand all the direction lines etc.

Hi
There's a list on Train.de

http://www.forum-thetrain.de/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=8569

Even includes my Class 31s.
The US seem to be behined on this patch.

Cheers
Jon

champy · Post by **champy** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:40 pm

Well the 31311 was a little way out all around in the Sd file and eng files
I have adjusted with varying results again, first time it crashed and didnt couple
relised the inertia tension was out

adjusted that and it coupled up and then crashed

Trying for a 3rd time now

Jon

champy · Post by **champy** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:45 pm

Sucess it worked fine that time but MSTS crashed on exit
Might be my msts playing up. So if David managed to couple fine with his 31 and had no issues, whys mine so fussey?

Very odd

Jon

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:48 pm

champy wrote:Sucess it worked fine that time but MSTS crashed on exit
Might be my msts playing up. So if David managed to couple fine with his 31 and had no issues, whys mine so fussey?

Very odd

Jon

Hi Jon
Well the default.wag you sent me last night is a real bog standard one...so I'm just waiting to see what David's is like.
I've got the one altered by Jim ward...and that has done me OK up to now.
Not sure why one of the Class31s should have been out...thought I'd copied and pasted them the same...sorry.

Cheers
Jon

Post by **NeutronIC** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:18 pm

Agreed, Jim Wards is the default.wag that I use with much more reliable results. Highly recommended!

Matt.

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:24 pm

jbilton wrote:
champy wrote:Sucess it worked fine that time but MSTS crashed on exit
Might be my msts playing up. So if David managed to couple fine with his 31 and had no issues, whys mine so fussey?

Very odd

Jon
Hi Jon
Well the default.wag you sent me last night is a real bog standard one...so I'm just waiting to see what David's is like.
I've got the one altered by Jim ward...and that has done me OK up to now.
Not sure why one of the Class31s should have been out...thought I'd copied and pasted them the same...sorry.
Cheers
Jon

Mines Jim Wards - as downloaded. Is this the one you have Jon?

David

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:29 pm

rwaceyw wrote: Mines Jim Wards - as downloaded. Is this the one you have Jon?

David

Hi David
This is the latest one I have

SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( Default
Pantograph ( "0.75s * 1{keyframes} / 30{fps}")
Mirror ( "0.75s * 1{keyframes} / 30{fps}" )
Wiper ( "1.5s * 1{keyframes} / 30{fps}" )
Door ( "0.75s * 1{keyframes} / 30{fps}" )
Wheelset ( "1{rps} * 9{keyframes} / 30{fps}" )

Relaxation ( 5N/m/s 5N/rad/s )

Friction (
1e4N/m/s 1 -1mph 0 1
1.5e5N/rad/s 1 -1rad/s 0 1
)

comment(Note that the wheel/rail adhesion here is not used as elsewhere)
comment(uses altered parameters suggested by Jim Ward for better front coupling)
Adheasion (
"0.9 # snow"
"0.55 # rain"
"0.8 # tunnel"
"0 # free"
)

ExtraParameters (
"0.01 # Default coefficent of restitution"
"1 # Floor contact ratio friction scaling factor"
"5e4N/m/s # Linear water friction"
"5e4N/rad/s # Angular water friction"
"0.1m/s # Collision threshold velocity"

"0 # On-track solver: 0=euler 1=rungekutta"
"10ms # On-track solver timestep"
"1 # Off-track solver"
"30ms # Off-track timestep"
"0 # Reposition colliding objects: 0=no 1=yes"

"0 # Collision method: 0=impulse 1=penalty"
"0 # Orientation representation: 0=matrix 1=quaternion"
"0.7*1.5m/s # Linear freeze velocity"
"0.7*1.5m/s/7m # Angular freeze velocity"
"3 # Impulse collision handler flags - 1 for force, 2 for momentum"

"10 # DerailRailForce scaling factor for track-orthogonal forces"
"50 # DerailBufferForce scaling factor for track-tangential forces"
"1e5N/m/s # Friction force for full friction everywhere on the body"
"40cm # Minimum couple distance"
"0.6 # Coefficient of restitution for car/car collisions"

"1.0N/kg/m/s # Friction when cars dig themselves into banks"
"0.25 # min coupling velocity"
"3.0 # max coupling velocity"
"29.4 # durability max acceleration"
"0.034013605442176 # 1 / durability max acceleration"
)
)

Cheers
Jon

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:43 pm

Pretty much the same as mine.

David

champy · Post by **champy** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:00 pm

No as Jon said mines bog standard
The 31s SD files were a little out and have been ammended to

From

ESD_Bounding_Box
( -1.351624 0.038296 -8.443773 1.337183 3.924299 8.415581 )

to

ESD_Bounding_Box ( -1.3516 0.037181 -8.443 1.3516 3.809999 8.443 )

then adjusted the eng file to make it the same on the size and inertia tensions

Sorry but the others seem the same with the box ending on the buffer stems and not on the actual buffer ends
Try an S file in S viewer and see

Will Ammend my Default wag file and try one of the un sorted ones and see if it makes a difference

Jon

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:09 pm

champy wrote: Sorry but the others seem the same with the box ending on the buffer stems and not on the actual buffer ends
Try an S file in S viewer and see

Will Ammend my Default wag file and try one of the un sorted ones and see if it makes a difference

Jon

Hi Jon
I nearly always ignore the buffer heads...is that wrong?
Cheers
Jon

champy · Post by **champy** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:22 pm

Seems to be? I go with what S viewer does and doing a vary random pick through my entire collection of locos all of them seem to be buffer face to buffer face.
With the MTWW wagons i let the S viewer tell me then ammend as required and have had no problems with them.

Jon

Post by **NeutronIC** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:24 pm

Must admit I always put the bounding box to the buffer stems, and the intertia tensor to the same as the loco size. Depending on the coupling lengths, it might not be a problem though - it just permits you to make them couple closer and still get around corners. I usually use r0 values 0m and 0.078m

Matt.

mearle73 · Post by **mearle73** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:59 am

Help Ive done the patch,the downloaded class 31 works with lights and change end,but no matter what I do,I cant get my locos to work,any help would be much appreciated.