Deltic cab needed

[codrivermike]

I've finally sorted out all the stock needed for the Mid East V2 activity, "up Flying Scotsman" thanks to the Burton Derby stock having the necessary green Class 31 a BR N2 and a 9f. So there I am, stock downloaded, route riter is happy, so off we go.
No we don't. I'm not driving a lovely Deltic for nigh on 2 hours whilst looking at the GP38 cab view!!
Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable cab before this activity causes me to throw something?

I need a drink

Michael

[dorlan]

See the thread here for a link to a suitable cab.

Ian J

[lateagain]

Who's was this one then? It's Brilliant! Was it withdrawn? If so why? Did someone upset the author? If so make them grovel an apology to him double quick time! If you are the author would you consider uploading it (or reuploading it if my first guess is right) for those of us who appreciate 1st class work.



I found this amongst some screenshots but can't track down the thread.

Geoff

[250787]

The author moved on from MSTS and said he wasnt going to re-upload his work

Cheers

Matt

[jbilton]

Who's was this one then? It's Brilliant! Was it withdrawn? If so why? Did someone upset the author? If so make them grovel an apology to him double quick time! If you are the author would you consider uploading it (or reuploading it if my first guess is right) for those of us who appreciate 1st class work.


I found this amongst some screenshots but can't track down the thread.

Geoff

Hi Geoff
From the readme that came with the cab

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Acknowledgments:

Robin Gray, former Computer Activities Coordinator & Webmaster at the National Railway Museum, organised access to the loco at York & my gratitude to him for that.
Gary Price & Chris Baily for use of the loco brake handle of their Warship cabview, on DELTIC.
Stuart Edwards for kindly supplying the right view photograph.
Mark Shipman for giving us this unique model. Lets hope his RSI does get better.
Gary Price – again! & Roy Cheers who have tested the cabview over that last couple of weeks. It is their feedback that has allowed the release of the cabview approx 3 weeks earlier than planned.
This cabview is issued exclusively through UKTrainSim, and may not be used & abused elsewhere.
Any useful comments are gladly received.
Bob Peach
delticbobatbtinternet.com
6th Jan 2004

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It is of course not a production Deltic cabview.
Bob withdrew all his cabviews when he retired from msts.

Cheers
Jon

[lateagain]

Ah! Thanks Jon.

This is the missing Bob Peach view I read about.

I take it by what you say that this was the "Deltic" Cab View rather than the production Class 55.

Unless I'm mistaken there was a mod to the "quarterlight"? Did the control layout vary that much?

Why did Bob withdraw his files? Was it just concern that having lost interest he'd be plagued with requests for support? I can see that that may be an issue for some authors and if so is there not a way that the files could be maintained in a seperate section that "Headlines" the fact that they are unsupported, use at own risk etc? A simple removal of contact details from the read-me would leave any other info intact and ensure privacy for the author.

It's not a criticism, rather a comment, but it does seem odd to me to spend so much time giving people something for nothing and then withdrawing the gift? Their perfect right of course and I may not understand the reasoning but sad as I'd have thought the majority of the community were appreciative of the efforts and gift of all modellers.

Geoff

[Fodda]

Aaahhhh...Geoff.

It's specifically those long hours of working for nothing and then getting abuse and snide comments from people who steal your stuff or never produce anything themselves that finally wear people down and make them want to have nothing more to do with MSTS.

My stuff's still here, but only just. There are some particularly nasty people who use this resource and if anyone wants to remove anything they've made to stop these idiots from getting it then I fully endorse their right to remove.

That said, I'm not speaking for Bob as I'm not sure exactly why he removed his excellent Deltic cabviews. I did notice an email addy in that readme though...

[lateagain]

Aaahhhh...Geoff.

It's specifically those long hours of working for nothing and then getting abuse and snide comments from people who steal your stuff or never produce anything themselves that finally wear people down and make them want to have nothing more to do with MSTS.

My stuff's still here, but only just. There are some particularly nasty people who use this resource and if anyone wants to remove anything they've made to stop these idiots from getting it then I fully endorse their right to remove.

With Years of voluntary unpaid thankless work as a Union Committee member I became used to being told that my efforts were inadequate, that we didn't do enough....we should be doing AB&C etc.etc. All from people who, when you invited them to play a more active part and come on the committee, snorted with amazement and told you they really didn't have the spare time!

You just have to harden to it. Often when you did win a case against all the odds, your only thanks was to be told that you hadn't achieved what any objective onlooker would have deemed unreasonable anyway. I suffered pesonal abuse, criticism, ridicule for supporting stances that we new were negotiable whilst refusing to go down paths where all would have lost.

So why did I do it?

I did it because just a couple of times I helped resolve cases where good decent people were being caused injustice, upset and vicious bullying in the work place. The only reward was their heartfelt gratitude. For all the uninformed criticism, pulling them out of the mire meant that the A*** H**** DIDN'T win and the decent people did and that mattered.

Believe me I understand the point where you get to "Sod it! I'm off!" but consider the majority of decent folk. Expose the bad guys for what they are. Don't let them win.

I do know that that is not always easy.

Geoff.

[lateagain]

Hi Jon and Gary,

I just found this thread.
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... =delticbob

I also found an old backup of Bob's cab view. I see from the excellent read me that you did some testing for Bob, Gary?

I'm a tads confused now as the screen grabs in the thread above are obviously Class 55s and I take it my original picture above (from another thread) was Bob's actual Deltic Prototype cab?

What really impressed me was the level of detail Bob went into in his read me file. All the more galling that he withdrew the cabs. He'd covered every aspect including the differing braking types and different couplings on different numbered locos.

With all the work going into upgrading Mid East UK this loss is greater still

Geoff

[codrivermike]

The activity I was getting stock for uses D9018 Ballymoss. That unfortunately comes with the Gp38 cabview. Then I also, as suggested in another thread downloaded 55017 Durham Light Infantry to get it's cabview. However, looking through my trainset folder I found that I had a deltic in there already, 55003 Meld. Why I do not know and I've no idea what route cd it came from but looking in its cabview folder i spied the readme and to my surprise it's one of Bobs.
I'm now a happy bunny. Well I would be if I could get past the red signal at Peterborough.
I've given that activity up for now and instead i'm driving a double stack container train on a snowy night over Whitefish 6.

Michael

[lateagain]

The activity I was getting stock for uses D9018 Ballymoss. That unfortunately comes with the Gp38 cabview. Then I also, as suggested in another thread downloaded 55017 Durham Light Infantry to get it's cabview. However, looking through my trainset folder I found that I had a deltic in there already, 55003 Meld. Why I do not know and I've no idea what route cd it came from but looking in its cabview folder i spied the readme and to my surprise it's one of Bobs.
I'm now a happy bunny. Well I would be if I could get past the red signal at Peterborough.
I've given that activity up for now and instead i'm driving a double stack container train on a snowy night over Whitefish 6.

Michael

I think you'll find that 55003 is part of the Mid East UK stock. If you ever installed the CD you'd have it.

Geoff

[codrivermike]

The original Mid East is one I've never bothered with. It was only when the V2 steam version became available that I took an interest in the ECML. That and driving to Retford once or twice a week.
Actually the readme says it's a special edition for Tim Courts Mid East too. Strange how it got there but I'm glad it did.

The Whitefish 6 activity is good. I'll get back to Mid EastV2 soon.

Michael

[allypally]

Wasn't that particular Deltic cabview on MidEast made by Kuju? Could have sworn I read somewhere 'the Kuju Deltic Cabview'?

EDIT: Just figured my long term memory might finally have finished playing up ( ) and when I heard the reference to the cab, it may have been sufficiently early that the Kuju was referring to the sim itself!

[jbilton]

Wasn't that particular Deltic cabview on MidEast made by Kuju? Could have sworn I read somewhere 'the Kuju Deltic Cabview'?

EDIT: Just figured my long term memory might finally have finished playing up ( ) and when I heard the reference to the cab, it may have been sufficiently early that the Kuju was referring to the sim itself!

Hi
The Kuju cab was released on a cover CD,after the sim was released.
The view and controls were all wrong.
Bob altered the cab and got permission to upload it.
It then went through 2 further upgrades.
It was the basis of the class 37,20,33,40,Baby Deltic,DP2 and Blue Pullman cabviews.
I believe some of those are still available.
He then finally did a photorealistic 'DELTIC' cabview

Cheers
Jon

[rwaceyw]

Did he not do a photorealistic production deltic cab in the 3rd version?

David