Faults with ECE

[Lad491]

Any error messages at all ?

The best place for support is really the Europeanbahn website (http://www.europeanbahn.co.uk). I believe they only give support via e mail these days, but there should be details on the site.

Its possible you may have a duff pressing - you could always take / send it back for replacement

[buffy500]

It would seem something fundamental if it won't load the game at all, as opposed to not loading the scenario once the game is running.

Try a new tsection.dat, mine would not play 1st time around, but the latest tsection.dat sorted that out.

[petethetim]

I always change tsection.dat to the latest after adding anything new I do this as rule of Thumb now though mine runs with out any problems my only grip is it's not that impressive

[jimmyladd]

EB never include a ref file with their routes. Its done to stop you making changes and then complaining that the route doesn't work. It does not need a ref file to run and should work ok out of the box.

It does need the default stuff during the install. It sounds like it hasn't installed properly. I'd have another go, make sure you unstore the default routes first.

Route Riter will easily create a ref file for you
Jim

[scorpion71]

I think this route is good but It is no better than Tim Court's Mid East Uk which is the same thing To be honest I'm sorry I bothered A bit of let Down

After reading through the forum, it seems alot of people are disappointed with ECE, comparing it with Mid-East. I myself find ECE good, though I have not travelled on the line for a few years now.

I don't like the Inter-City and GNER liveries, so they've gone and I've replaced them with BR Blue, 225's have gone and Deltics, 40's are in.

I do not own Mid-East, but was wondering, could yourself or anybody else tell me.......is it in the electrified era, and does it run to Cambridge?

If the answer to above is yes, I will have to check it out.

thanks in advance.

[salopiangrowler]

I think this route is good but It is no better than Tim Court's Mid East Uk which is the same thing To be honest I'm sorry I bothered A bit of let Down

After reading through the forum, it seems alot of people are disappointed with ECE, comparing it with Mid-East. I myself find ECE good, though I have not travelled on the line for a few years now.

I don't like the Inter-City and GNER liveries, so they've gone and I've replaced them with BR Blue, 225's have gone and Deltics, 40's are in.

I do not own Mid-East, but was wondering, could yourself or anybody else tell me.......is it in the electrified era, and does it run to Cambridge?

If the answer to above is yes, I will have to check it out.

thanks in advance.

Its Pre - Electrification Steam to Diesel Transformation and HST Era ie Bounds green. Finsbury park depot is in mid east and theres plenty of room in it for 22 deltics 13 - 14 coach trains can easily be accomidated in the long platforms and KX.

No the line doesnt go to cambridge though it goes Furthest north to Retford which branches here and there loads of collieries with plenty of thrash opportunities.

It Has the ability to run a proper freight service. And the famous Fletton Fly Ash terminal at peteboroughs in it so pair up those bones and thrash your paxmans and join the Grid to peterborough in mid east.

[jennings]

I bought it yesterday at Glasgow and have ahs a quick try on it ...

My opinions so far on it are good - Even though there are basic errors in it

Downsides:
- Consists are slightly incorrect (Can easily be fixed using conbuilder)
- A large gap between stock items for the HST (Can this be altered in the .wag / .eng files?)
- DVT height being debatable
- 1 slight error in the coach number not being mirrored on one side of the 317
- Suspect the 91 is overpowered a little bit

Positives:
- The sounds are fantastic for both the 91 and HST
- Night cabs for each items (Fantastic in all possible ways)
- Frame rates

Either way i think its a great route so far and i will still certainly buy their routes in the future.

[joea1]

still excellent route though

Why do you keep saying that?

[alrispoli]

It would be nice if EB were able to answer their critics and it is noticeable that there is not a comment from them. It's amazing just how much of a mixed bag of reaction this route is receiving!

Funny thing I have noticed is there is no word of the 'stock pack' which was due to release at the same time from what I can see.

[Lad491]

It would be nice if EB were able to answer their critics

They never do reply to these threads, at least not officially.

[salopiangrowler]

Anonymizer was one of the developers on the route, anything going through these forums is bound to get back to someone at EB anyway, thankyou for keeping this thread as civil and as on topic as possible.

Worthy of note, has anyone checked to see if any terry thornton items were in the route as if so UKTS and EB could be going against a mans wishes, i say this because we dont want anything happening to this site or others for not knowing what was wrong.

[petethetim]

diddydeltic wrote:
still excellent route though

I would ask JoeA1's Question Why do you keep saying that ??? {Are you a secret mole from EB doing a bit of underground Product promotion }
It is a poorly done route with several error that even I a novice in MSTS circles can notice & Tim Court's mid east route Is as good if not better representation of the East Coast Mainline Ex Kings Cross

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Regards

Pete

[bdy26]

It would seem something fundamental if it won't load the game at all, as opposed to not loading the scenario once the game is running.

Try a new tsection.dat, mine would not play 1st time around, but the latest tsection.dat sorted that out.

Thanks Dave, turned out to be a tsection issue, though the EB installed one claims to be build 32. Eh? Also a learning curve for me in that the tsection.dat in the route folder shouldn't also be changed, just the one in the global folder.

Route riter did eventually make me a ref file without error messages after another install. But route riter also made my tea and got me a cold beer from the fridge so shouldn't complain.

Now I've actually driven it, here's some constructive criticsim:

Good points:

317 - excellent model
91 - excellent model, if slightly too light a shade of blue
Sounds - excellent, esp the HST and the horn on the 91
Route - it's good, better than expected having bought LBE, stations look realistic, hertfordshire is, to quote General Melchet, a "barren featureless desert" but that is probably fairly accurate *ducks*
Physics - good, 91 a touch overpowered but about right when propelling
Cabs - good, though slight shame there isn't a separate DVT cab as the controls are different to the 91, but that's being anal.

Bad points:

Mk4s - the shape isn't right, they don't lean in enough (the 91 looks like it's pulling mk3s), they're too wide, the buffet car is a different height to the rest, Mk4s don't have buffers!!!! (except the front TSO, which doesn't have a corridor either, but hasn't been modelled)

DVT - looks about right shapewise, but again it's different to the mk4s, it's
too high off the rails, the wheels are bigger than those on the mk4s ( and a different colour), the textures on the IC don't match the Mk4s ( same with the 91), the swallow logos are the wrong size and position.

HST / Mk3s - they seem too high or too short, the power cars are swallow yet the coaches have executive "intercity" but without the "125" ( if a mix and match was intended), the restaurant markings are inaccurate, the cab numbers are too large ( okay now I'm getting picky). They haven't bothered to model a TGS either, which just seems a bit lazy. Trouble is, unlike the 91s, there is no contest as to whether the commercial stock is better than the swallow HST in the UKTS library - I can't be the only one to have swapped them over and kept the sounds and the cab...

Overall, it's worth it, though I am slightly disappointed with the mk4s more than anything.

[saddletank]

b) If someone's done something for free, as a hobby, then it's much harsher to have a go at them for it, and there is much less point in it.

I disagree with that too, completely. I see no difference at all in this respect. Freeware and Commercial ware should be assessed the same - using the same measure. Constructive critisicm applies to all.

Well technically and in a perfect world, yes, you should judge both with the same standards. But in practical terms you should not and cannot. If people rip into freeware work the freeware authors will get just annoyed and disillusioned and probably only issue their next piece of work privately to their mates, if they issue any at all. The worst scenario is the freeware guy will remove his files from UKTS in disgust - it's happened. Being critical of the freeware author in public ultimately hurts the person doing the criticising

Now a commercial company relies on sales for their continued existence. If their work is criticised they must do better the next time or their market share will shrink. No-one else is 'hurt'.

There is an unwritten rule round here that people do not over-criticise freeware work, and that rule's in place for very good reasons. Stuff you've paid for falls into a whole different league - as a customer you have rights and so criticism can be of a different kind, rightly and fairly.

I assumed everyone here had realised all this years ago.

Martin

[saddletank]

How are they not objective?

Because they are people's opinions. Opinions are never objective. A reviewer must be objective. Laurie has a fair point here.

Martin