Faults with ECE

[petethetim]

Yeah attack of the Killer Cows.............

I think your right to be honest I'm not that impressed

[45002]

is it just me or do the cows and horses i can see in the fields seem a bit overscale

I blame the EU


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MARTIN

[Backfoot2002]

Don't think that fence will stop em'!

[45002]

Or is it the New cloned Daleks

MARTIN

[petethetim]

I think this route is good but It is no better than Tim Court's Mid East Uk which is the same thing To be honest I'm sorry I bothered A bit of let Down

[DTA]

We all know what to expect from Europeanbahn by now.

What I find amazing, is that they bought in a complete route, halved it, added stock and only 15 activities, and are eventually releasing the whole thing for £50!

David

[45002]

We all know what to expect from Europeanbahn by now.

What I find amazing, is that they bought in a complete route, halved it, added stock and only 15 activities, and are eventually releasing the whole thing for £50!

David

I Wonder if one of there stock packs they have coming out will have more

Activitys for ECE P1

MARTIN

[danielw2599]

We all know what to expect from Europeanbahn by now.

What I find amazing, is that they bought in a complete route, halved it, added stock and only 15 activities, and are eventually releasing the whole thing for £50!

David

Doesnt really cost £50 quid does it?! I would have been hard pushed to spend £20 on it!

Daniel

[Lad491]

Doesnt really cost £50 quid does it?!

He means for both parts together. When Pt11 is released it wont be far short of a total cost of £50. However, for a commercial release of such size its still cheap. I bet a lot of people worked for less than £1 an hour

is that they bought in a complete route

I dont think they did. They may have bought the trackwork but i think all the scenery has had to be built and placed. Thats probably a few thousand hours work. 15 activities - anything up to 300 hours, depending on the quality. Stock - guessing here as ive no experience, but probably 500 hours i would have thought. And thats just for part 1. Double it again for part 2.

[hertford]

Pt11? You mean Part 2.

Well, nice stock and trains I must say, and stations, but yes the cows either seem a bit big, or the fences seem a bit too small.

[bdy26]

I've got a few issues with the stock, but before I get onto that I can't get the route to run at all, and I think i've found the problem, but have no solution.

It all installs okay, with everything unstored in trainstore (don't know if it copies anything from the default routes or not), the stock installs, the activities can be checked and all the files look like they are there except the reference file ( guessing it's called eb_eastcoast.ref or similar).

Checking the route with RR also picks up this error, but the "make.ref" fuction in RR brings up a couple of errors, and whilst it does create a .ref file for the route, it still won't load the game at all, MSTS phones home on the first screen without any progress at all. All other routes still work.

Do i just need the correct ref file? Have searched the system and I can't find it, so it hasn't just put it in the wrong place.

Would anyone be kind enough to let me have the .ref file by email? Please drop me a PM or if anyone has any other ideas...

Many thanks

Ben

[jordy1]

I agree the cows are nearly as big as the trains.

[Lad491]

EB never include a ref file with their routes. Its done to stop you making changes and then complaining that the route doesn't work. It does not need a ref file to run and should work ok out of the box.

It does need the default stuff during the install. It sounds like it hasn't installed properly. I'd have another go, make sure you unstore the default routes first.

[bdy26]

Thanks for that, worth knowing. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it twice now, with and without the ref file. and it still does the same thing. All installs have been with everything unstalled in trainstore. Settings are turned down, it won't run in explore mode. Routeriter found no errors once it had made its own ref file ( though that could be be misleading?), so I'm stumped.

It would seem something fundamental if it won't load the game at all, as opposed to not loading the scenario once the game is running.

[lateagain]

We all know what to expect from Europeanbahn by now.

What I find amazing, is that they bought in a complete route, halved it, added stock and only 15 activities, and are eventually releasing the whole thing for £50!

David

Well I wasn't going to be drawn.......but that is so blatant I was beginning to think I was in "Life on Mars".

Thanks for posting that David and to all the others who've posted screenshots. It saddens me a little to see peoples enthusiasm crushed by what a GOG like me would have said was an inevitable outcome.

Of course people can criticise and it doesn't have to be constructive. The constructive part should have been by the creator and publisher. The reviews that used to be published on the site were very helpful but were in themselves attacked for not being critical enough. What they did bring is a screenshot illustrating each point. This enabled folk to make up their own minds as to whether the reviewer was right.

Some constructive criticism. The screenshots show that EB have paid lip service to criticism of scenery in some areas. Giant cows and out of proportion buildings though are just "can't be arsed". These things can be fixed and in a commercial release should have been. As far as frame rates are concerned, and as has been mentioned above, it's the number of objects that affect them, not the quality. There are excellent detailed routes out there, both freeware and commercial which have stunning detail and don't have bad frame rates. That's the skill of the builder. The frame rate red herring is just played out now.

With other publishers still pushing the envelope with MSTS routes you should be able to see what EB is about. I guess the publication of the new Train Sims will finally see their demise?..... unless they have a major fundamental rethink about the quality of their product. Railway modelling has always been about attention to detail.

Commercial modellers have struggled to make the best possible model with the medium the model is built in, and sell it at a price that achieves the widest market. Just as hobbyists have hand built their own stock and scenery and struggled to achieve a level of realism.

The virtual world gives us the opportunity to share that with others.

The Virtual model means that the hobbyist that pushes the envelope and makes a brilliant model is "competing" with the commercial developer in a way that commercial developers of actual models don't have to consider. "Mr Jones" perfect real model of Flying Scotsman built with loving care over five years cannot be instantly distributed in the same market place as their models.

As this thread shows people will want to believe that a product is going to be good. We're a "sucker" market. We're enthusiasts. By and large those that produce what we consume are enthusiasts too but it pretty soon becomes clear when this isn't so and therefore whose stuff is worth getting.

Mid East UK is a very old route now and in some areas the scenery is not up to modern standards but it covered a huge mileage of varied tracks and industries, had loads of activities and hopefully the stock revamp will make it even more enjoyable. At £4.50 that's the route I'm looking forward to.

I'll save my pennies for Cambrian 2 and Greta Eastern because I know that with those modelers and publishers I'll be getting the best that they can deliver.

Geoff