Faults with ECE

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:02 pm

But if your gonna make stuff that bad, then i sugest the publishers first class simulations should servere there ties with EB as first class simulations should be first class top notch stuff, which ECE isnt, niether was L2b of WCW. and EB are doing a london to birmingham route!!!!!! all i can say is EB get real, if you cant lay the track for kings cross properly you'll never get into birmingham and theres more track and platforms in euston aswell.

I Say good luck to EB with the London birmingham route and the extention to ECE.

Just dont expect york to be a glorious curved 14 platform station.

simont · Post by **simont** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:04 pm

Lad491 wrote:Constructive critisicm in my view means you highlight the bad but also the good. Ignoring the good and just concentrating on the bad (in your view) points isn't constructive critisicm.

No, that's not what constructive criticism means. It means to point out why something is wrong, and how it could be improved, rather than just saying "it's rubbish". Of course, it's better to point out the positive aspects too, but there's no reason why you have to, and sometimes you can't.

I dont see the freeware authors coming in for the same stick when many, many have mcuh that is bad or poor, as well as much that is good.

Do you really not understand why this is?
a) if you put something for sale, than it is expected to comply to higher standards than free stuff.
b) If someone's done something for free, as a hobby, then it's much harsher to have a go at them for it, and there is much less point in it.

It's unbelievable that after so many years, people still need this spelling out to them.

simont · Post by **simont** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:05 pm

salopiangrowler wrote:Just dont expect york to be a glorious curved 14 platform station.

Well, the track was all laid by "Goingnorth", and I seem to remember that the original (GNEREastcoast) had York station curved.

Lad491 · Post by **Lad491** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:37 pm

a) if you put something for sale, than it is expected to comply to higher standards than free stuff.

I disagree entirely. It doesn't have to be better at all. It just has to be worth the money to the person buying it.

b) If someone's done something for free, as a hobby, then it's much harsher to have a go at them for it, and there is much less point in it.

I disagree with that too, completely. I see no difference at all in this respect. Freeware and Commercial ware should be assessed the same - using the same measure. Constructive critisicm applies to all.

diddydeltic · Post by **diddydeltic** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:58 pm

Received route today, but has anyone noticed or is it just me but the HST InterCity has just a rake of TSO's no 1st or Buff cars ?
Havn't checked this rest yet and also at the start of some of the activities it either freezes before you start or no text info in arrive & depart boxes !

any idea's

still a good route

many thanks
Garry

Stone220 · Post by **Stone220** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:37 pm

I haven't had any problems with ECE, from what I have seen it is a fairly good represenation of the area, sure it has glitches but doesn't everything, I think we should be happy that we have a decent repersentation of the ECML and stop whinging about what is right and what isn't. As for the 225 it's probably the best model of one yet for MSTS
(Just my opinion don't bite my head off)
CG

simont · Post by **simont** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:38 pm

Lad491 wrote:
a) if you put something for sale, than it is expected to comply to higher standards than free stuff.
I disagree entirely. It doesn't have to be better at all. It just has to be worth the money to the person buying it.

b) If someone's done something for free, as a hobby, then it's much harsher to have a go at them for it, and there is much less point in it.
I disagree with that too, completely. I see no difference at all in this respect. Freeware and Commercial ware should be assessed the same - using the same measure. Constructive critisicm applies to all.

If you are going to charge for something that others give away for free, then surely you must be able to make something at least as good as decent standard freeware stuff. If you don't, then people have a right to criticise. Whereas freeware doesn't have this standard - pretty much anything can be released for free, unless it doesn't actually break people's computers.

You've actually introduced your own difference for judging freeware - "It just has to be worth the money to the person buying it". Well, people don't always feel that commercial addons are worth what they've paid (or would pay), and are entitled to say so if not. Free stuff, whatever the quality, will always be worth at least what you paid for it - i.e. nothing.

And that's why commercial stuff gets discussed more thoroughly - because if you download something ., all you've really wasted is time, when you're about to pay for something, you want to find out what people actually think of it beforehand.

Lad491 · Post by **Lad491** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:47 pm

when you're about to pay for something, you want to find out what people actually think of it beforehand

But unfortunately this isnt the place to find out, since ive yet to see an objective report of any piece of software here, except the reviews that Matt writes. The forums certainly are not objective.

simont · Post by **simont** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:53 pm

How are they not objective?

45002 · Post by **45002** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:00 pm

Well i just to say "I like it" have driven up it so many times now and all the

Screenshots

i done

i think they do a Good job given the Design limitations of msts

OK some places the scenery is a bit missing and so what do you want 100%

You cant 100% with msts or your pc will melt down and im no Route Builder

MARTIN

PS.Right off to do more Sreenshots on this Great Route.ok

michaelhendle · Post by **michaelhendle** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:33 pm

I actualy buy EB's addons as I know they will run on my computer, some of the others just freeze or run at 1 to 9 fpm's.

The other addons that run on my computer are the German Protrain ones,at least 2 other British addons cause no end of problems, plus a lot of the new free ware routes will not run on it either..

I know people say I should get this and that computer, but unfortunatly being on a low income Â£700 - Â£900 is right out of my price range.

So I will be buying any route EB bring out as I know they run on low spec computers.

diddydeltic · Post by **diddydeltic** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:49 pm

Just noticed on the GNER Mk3's both on the First Class & Restuarant cars
the red stripe one side of each cars have the GNER logo back to front but on the other side its ok, also no GNER gold logo's on the GNER MK3 TSO's.

still excellent route though

jimmyladd · Post by **jimmyladd** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:18 pm

The BIG difference between freeware and payware is if you download a freeware model and its rubbish, you just delete it..no problem..nothing lost...you pay good money for payware and its rubbish, then you have lost whatever it cost, and THAT makes wide open to criticism, constructive or not. As for ECE, well I don't have the route, so no comment, but I thought L2B was ok in its day, but looks well outdated now. If ECE is no better, then I'll not be buying that. Am I right in saying that ECE uses default track?
Jim

Backfoot2002 · Post by **Backfoot2002** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:49 pm

diddydeltic wrote:Just noticed on the GNER Mk3's both on the First Class & Restuarant cars
the red stripe one side of each cars have the GNER logo back to front but on the other side its ok, also no GNER gold logo's on the GNER MK3 TSO's.

still excellent route though

Perfeclty good GNER HST on UKTS..hint hint

jimmyladd wrote:The BIG difference between freeware and payware is if you download a freeware model and its rubbish, you just delete it..no problem..nothing lost...you pay good money for payware and its rubbish, then you have lost whatever it cost, and THAT makes wide open to criticism, constructive or not. As for ECE, well I don't have the route, so no comment, but I thought L2B was ok in its day, but looks well outdated now. If ECE is no better, then I'll not be buying that. Am I right in saying that ECE uses default track?
Jim

Yes it does use default track.

117305 · Post by **117305** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:08 am

is it just me or do the cows and horses i can see in the fields seem a bit overscale